Carnelian @ Carnelian @lemmy.world

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Keep preaching!! How do I get involved??

I’d meet in the middle if we could just be done with it once and for all

Billie Eilish SLAMS Mark Zuckerberg then gets SMASHED at the afterparty

I think the post is very logical. We must consider what the barrier to healthcare access actually is for some women.

Right so suppose access to healthcare is easy by default, and in fact is only being caused to be difficult by the direct efforts of a malicious state.

In this case, the state is now expending resources on making women’s lives difficult. They’re doing their job well, it’s just that their job is evil and was assigned by evil people. The post now logically compares the relative ease of doing two things the state is actually against

The point is organizing a >100 million dollar jewel heist is typically considered to be a grandiose effort seen only in movies, yet the nonchalant and timely manner in which it was executed was more similar to walking into a pharmacy for basic supplies.

…which is how easy access to reproductive care should be, yet in many places women need to go to far more extreme lengths

Thank you for creating my engagement!

which is why you’re getting argued with

What an interesting way of phrasing why you personally felt the need to make it into an argument rather than simply a discussion of a point that may need clarification.

Also interesting that “what I said” is totally different from your summary. I stand by what I said. I don’t know why anyone would assume the researches comparing protein sources in this hypothetical would bafflingly allow the control group to consume less protein. Regardless, now that the clarification has been provided, do you have any interest in the topic? Or are you just in an arguing mood today?

Correct, and my assumption is they would perform even better if they were given that protein from food rather than from supplements

Notably, they would need to do that, otherwise the study would just be comparing higher/lower protein intake and not protein sources

Typically studies equate protein intake

My assumption is the non-supplement group would actually perform better. Actual food has tons of other nutrients the body uses for countless other tasks that are directly and indirectly related to muscle building

Came from very little. Running the dish washer, laundry, cleaning the shower, putting food in my cart. All of it fills me with a powerful gratitude, every time. Might come a day when I miss doing it, you know?

Wow! Your food posts are masterworks honestly, thank you for the delight and the inspo!

I heard it, but the corporations responsible also don’t care when I say it

The statement of fact you hold in contention can be confirmed by any doubtful reader by numerous sources that appear in a quick web search

You are simply factually mistaken about the nature of herbivores generally. You are also, intentionally or not, engaging in equivocation between the concepts of what is nutritionally required to eat and what is biologically required to function further down the line. You are also engaged in an ongoing adjustment of your argument, apparently just for the sake of argument, without addressing the serious issues with your argument as it was originally presented.

For these reasons I’m not terribly interested in an ongoing dialogue with you on this topic. It’s simply not a productive use of my time to keep on reading large papers you link to but haven’t read yourself, then correcting the claims you make that the evidence you provide doesn’t support. I also do not feel any need to directly address the false claims you falsely accuse me of making, when my above posts already clearly contradict them. I trust that readers with a genuine interest will be able to navigate these posts without issue, and then delve into the textbooks worth of fully unsimplified research if it strikes their fancy to do so.

Have a good day

Apologies, yes, the non-essential aminos need to be synthesized from protein specifically, which gorillas typically consume in abundance. Edited my post to clarify this issue, thank you

What are you talking about

Why are people so rude when critiquing a bodybuilding gorilla post on a shit posting community?

Anyway, as I have apologized to the other user who took umbrage with my glossing over of a particular biological detail, so now I apologize to you. Yes, you are correct that the essential amino acids are not synthesized out of just anything, but through a specific process which requires other amino acids acquired through the breakdown of protein consumed in the diet. I have edited my post to provide specific clarify to this point.

Have you read my post? Because the back half of your comment simply restates what I was saying about their diet. Thank you for providing supporting links.

Finally, you should edit your own post to clear up some misconceptions you may be spreading. The researchers in your link argued (ineffectively, as the current paradigm of essential/non-essential is still being printed in textbooks more than a decade later) against the concept because they believed it would be better to also include many non-essential aminos in a new category called “functional” amino acids. It should also be made clear that this proposed paradigm exists in the context of optimizing chicken feed, and at no point rebuts the fact that the essential amino acids are themselves ultimately essential

Coolest thing about being an omnivore is you can also eat all the tasty vegan meals, no strings attached

Hey,

So the confusion here comes from the application of the term ‘essential’

The reason humans differentiate between essential/not is because it is “essential” for us to ingest those amino acids directly in our diet, because we cannot synthesize them ourselves.

Gorillas do not have a separate “essential” category because they can synthesize everything they need. This is not to suggest they do not physiologically “need” the ones we deem as essential, simply that they can make them.

As an aside, the special thing you’re thinking of is just their gut bacteria. There’s a ton of specific biological information I left out as the comment was already getting too long, and I didn’t really feel like the exact mechanism of action there was critical

I was looking into that recently, specifically gorillas, just because it’s such a common sentiment that humans have to work so hard and eat so particularly to build muscle but gorillas are naturally jacked.

It turns out they have a lot going for them in that regard

So first of all they low key do actually strength train. They use their strength to break and process vegetation. These dudes will straight up rip a tree apart with their bare hands. It’s pretty crazy. It’s also how they spend most of their time.

Like they literally wake up at 6am, do a crazy workout, eat a ton, take a nap, then do another crazy workout, eat another ton, then go to bed. Every day. It's basically the same routine Arnold ran when training for the olympia.

The other thing that comes up is how they mostly eat plants but humans need tons of protein. This part is the most fascinating to me.

So humans have a concept of “essential amino acids (essential proteins)”. There’s like over 500 aminos in general, and for the most part if we need one for any particular bodily function, our bodies can just make them out of whatever. EDIT: this has caused some confusion further down, apologies. As I explained to another user I wanted to be selective about the depth of every specific biological mechanism for the sake of brevity. However I should mention the aminos are not created out of thin air, but through the breakdown of other proteins consumed in the diet. The exceptions are these 9 particular aminos which we require, but cannot create ourselves, so we have to get them directly from our diets.

Humans also have relatively pathetic digestive systems. There’s an entire large category of plant matter we consume that we simply cannot process, and it passes through us. We call this material “fiber”, and it’s still very important for us to eat, but nonetheless it is simply not broken down into energy or other building blocks.

Gorillas do not suffer from either of these limitations. Their bodies can produce all necessary amino acids, and they can break down fiber.

So with all this, when you look at their diet as a whole, (which is about 40lbs per day of plants, and keeping in mind the plants are simply more nutritive to them biologically, and their neutrality towards the specific amino profile of their food), when you crunch the math, they actually end up eating slightly higher than the daily protein value recommended for high level human bodybuilders.

That coincidence totally blew my mind. Like we’re so closely related and require the same basic conditions for muscle growth, but achieve it in such parallel yet unrelated ways. Totally awe inspiring