Carnelian @ Carnelian @lemmy.world

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Came from very little. Running the dish washer, laundry, cleaning the shower, putting food in my cart. All of it fills me with a powerful gratitude, every time. Might come a day when I miss doing it, you know?

Wow! Your food posts are masterworks honestly, thank you for the delight and the inspo!

I heard it, but the corporations responsible also don’t care when I say it

The statement of fact you hold in contention can be confirmed by any doubtful reader by numerous sources that appear in a quick web search

You are simply factually mistaken about the nature of herbivores generally. You are also, intentionally or not, engaging in equivocation between the concepts of what is nutritionally required to eat and what is biologically required to function further down the line. You are also engaged in an ongoing adjustment of your argument, apparently just for the sake of argument, without addressing the serious issues with your argument as it was originally presented.

For these reasons I’m not terribly interested in an ongoing dialogue with you on this topic. It’s simply not a productive use of my time to keep on reading large papers you link to but haven’t read yourself, then correcting the claims you make that the evidence you provide doesn’t support. I also do not feel any need to directly address the false claims you falsely accuse me of making, when my above posts already clearly contradict them. I trust that readers with a genuine interest will be able to navigate these posts without issue, and then delve into the textbooks worth of fully unsimplified research if it strikes their fancy to do so.

Have a good day

Apologies, yes, the non-essential aminos need to be synthesized from protein specifically, which gorillas typically consume in abundance. Edited my post to clarify this issue, thank you

What are you talking about

Why are people so rude when critiquing a bodybuilding gorilla post on a shit posting community?

Anyway, as I have apologized to the other user who took umbrage with my glossing over of a particular biological detail, so now I apologize to you. Yes, you are correct that the essential amino acids are not synthesized out of just anything, but through a specific process which requires other amino acids acquired through the breakdown of protein consumed in the diet. I have edited my post to provide specific clarify to this point.

Have you read my post? Because the back half of your comment simply restates what I was saying about their diet. Thank you for providing supporting links.

Finally, you should edit your own post to clear up some misconceptions you may be spreading. The researchers in your link argued (ineffectively, as the current paradigm of essential/non-essential is still being printed in textbooks more than a decade later) against the concept because they believed it would be better to also include many non-essential aminos in a new category called “functional” amino acids. It should also be made clear that this proposed paradigm exists in the context of optimizing chicken feed, and at no point rebuts the fact that the essential amino acids are themselves ultimately essential

Coolest thing about being an omnivore is you can also eat all the tasty vegan meals, no strings attached

Hey,

So the confusion here comes from the application of the term ‘essential’

The reason humans differentiate between essential/not is because it is “essential” for us to ingest those amino acids directly in our diet, because we cannot synthesize them ourselves.

Gorillas do not have a separate “essential” category because they can synthesize everything they need. This is not to suggest they do not physiologically “need” the ones we deem as essential, simply that they can make them.

As an aside, the special thing you’re thinking of is just their gut bacteria. There’s a ton of specific biological information I left out as the comment was already getting too long, and I didn’t really feel like the exact mechanism of action there was critical

I was looking into that recently, specifically gorillas, just because it’s such a common sentiment that humans have to work so hard and eat so particularly to build muscle but gorillas are naturally jacked.

It turns out they have a lot going for them in that regard

So first of all they low key do actually strength train. They use their strength to break and process vegetation. These dudes will straight up rip a tree apart with their bare hands. It’s pretty crazy. It’s also how they spend most of their time.

Like they literally wake up at 6am, do a crazy workout, eat a ton, take a nap, then do another crazy workout, eat another ton, then go to bed. Every day. It's basically the same routine Arnold ran when training for the olympia.

The other thing that comes up is how they mostly eat plants but humans need tons of protein. This part is the most fascinating to me.

So humans have a concept of “essential amino acids (essential proteins)”. There’s like over 500 aminos in general, and for the most part if we need one for any particular bodily function, our bodies can just make them out of whatever. EDIT: this has caused some confusion further down, apologies. As I explained to another user I wanted to be selective about the depth of every specific biological mechanism for the sake of brevity. However I should mention the aminos are not created out of thin air, but through the breakdown of other proteins consumed in the diet. The exceptions are these 9 particular aminos which we require, but cannot create ourselves, so we have to get them directly from our diets.

Humans also have relatively pathetic digestive systems. There’s an entire large category of plant matter we consume that we simply cannot process, and it passes through us. We call this material “fiber”, and it’s still very important for us to eat, but nonetheless it is simply not broken down into energy or other building blocks.

Gorillas do not suffer from either of these limitations. Their bodies can produce all necessary amino acids, and they can break down fiber.

So with all this, when you look at their diet as a whole, (which is about 40lbs per day of plants, and keeping in mind the plants are simply more nutritive to them biologically, and their neutrality towards the specific amino profile of their food), when you crunch the math, they actually end up eating slightly higher than the daily protein value recommended for high level human bodybuilders.

That coincidence totally blew my mind. Like we’re so closely related and require the same basic conditions for muscle growth, but achieve it in such parallel yet unrelated ways. Totally awe inspiring

How many calories does it have? Banana, peanut (or cashew or almond etc.) butter and chocolate are all high cal foods. So mixing them is unlikely to be low cal

As for your second point, I agree 100%. There’s an entire discussion to be had about the nuance. I think the most important thing is not assuming that low cal foods are healthy in any way, and also not assuming that healthy foods would be low cal. Basically just two separate concepts, sometimes they overlap sometimes not

Pretty sure art is about maximizing shareholder value by delivering a minimally viable product

Posting random “exercise is good” research? I agree. The point if you recall is that your onboarding advice specifically is injurious. TMTS is the most well documented phenomena in the sport, and affects everyone, not just beginners. Your advice would even be bad when moderate distance runners transition into long distance. Write up a 5 paragraph essay on the actual topic if it pleases you

Thanks for defending my mother’s honor though, I’ll be sure to pass along your noble sentiments once she’s finished deflowering your friends

“Living gods” huh? And your obsession with incels…hmm

Anyway, thank you for considering my point of view regardless of its value. I’m disappointed now though, you say this dialogue “went” so far? In the past tense? Are you thinking of parting ways?

For me personally, I think this would be a particularly productive moment to really drill into the specific details of valid and sound methods of statistical analysis, as well as establishing the consensus of medical experts regarding injury mitigation in new runners. So I hope I read that wrong, and that I’ll be hearing from you soon. Cheers

I’m happy to continue this conversation of course but I must first urgently advise you to caution your colleagues about my mother’s countless infectious STDs. I’m sure they have only pure intentions, but she herself can be very persuasive.

With this dire warning out of the way, votes are not comments yes? Although now that you mention it, yes, you are also correct in noticing that every single person who has commented has also disagreed with you, along with the many more who voted. Curious

Finally, since you have kindly asked for my opinion directly, and understand that I cannot offer you specific medical advice: my take is that you are not at all beyond hope, friend. Weigh that statement with all the credibility you believe I deserve

Not a fact? That the community correctly moderated your bad advice? We can actually see the votes currently with our eyes. Seems quite like a fact

Not your imagination? The random insults you dream up about me in the shower? Fascinating

Please by all means let's hear what your diagnostic is?

That’s outside my scope of practice, which is why I’m asking you to bring it up with your colleagues

Your suggestion to immediately start running for one hour straight every day was in fact awful advice in general (which the community appropriately moderated, thankfully), and was in fact medically inappropriate given OPs circumstances, which you may have learned if you prioritized sane conversation

This is simply a materially indisputable fact.

What remains mysterious is why exactly you feel the need to construct these random fantasies about me. Is daydreaming about me eating cheetos and worshipping some nazi pleasurable for you in some way? Do you feel anyone anywhere on earth finds your bare proclamations persuasive?

If you brought this whole thread to one of these real doctors you purport to speak for, what do you think they would take away from all this?

So to be clear, you are the one who is cursing and blowing up on not just me, but others in this thread as well, and yet I am the one who has been “set off”?

Which philosopher do you suggest I read to help me better understand your convincing analysis?

I’ve noticed a pattern with you where you just say random things, which is the root of my curiosity. Right, like your random ineffective exercise recommendations. Random insults about joblessness and uncleanliness.

You believe these types of insults might possibly have some effect, yes? Otherwise you would be knowingly humiliating yourself with obvious cope. Thus the only reasonable conclusion is that the idea does not originate from your phone, but rather in its reflection.

Run this possibility through your mind, slowly

And where does this idea originate? Try and jog your memory