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One of the advantages of a decentralized platform like Lemmy is the ability to create parallel communities on the same topic. "You don't like how a community is being moderated? Go to another instance and start a new community!" (with or without blackjack and hookers)
However, I think this is also a double-edged sword. The creation of multiple communities on the same (or similar) topics can also fragment the userbase, leading to very sparsely populated communities.
Example: I am open to being wrong, but I don't currently see a need for five distinct Harry Potter sublemmies with (nearly) identical names:
- !harrypotter@lemmy.world
- !harrypotter@literature.cafe
- !harrypotter@lemm.ee
- !harrypotter@feddit.nl
- !harry_potter@diagonlemmy.social
There are also some other miscellaneous HP related communities:
- !hpfanfiction@lemmy.world
- !harry_potter_fanfic@diagonlemmy.social
- !harry_potter_memes@diagonlemmy.social
- !leaky_cauldron@diagonlemmy.social
- !dramione@lemmy.world (ew, but you do you, I suppose)
- !hp_magicawakened@lemm.ee
- !harry_potter_languages@lemmy.world
- !hufflepuff@lemmy.world
- !slytherin@lemmy.world
- !slytherin@sopuli.xyz
- !slytherin@lemmy.ml
I suspect that many of these were created during the 2023 Rexxit, when instances were less stable, and there was a temporary period of massive growth.
Now that Lemmy is more stable, would the moderators of the above communities consider some form of cooperative consolidation? If not, what distinct purpose do the separate communities serve?
A couple arguments in favour of consolidation: (credits to @Ashyr@sh.itjust.works and @otter@lemmy.ca)
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/11171955
>I think until there’s some tool or system that helps collate all the information out here, fragmentation is detrimental to growth.
>I’m not going to copy and paste the same comment with every mirrored post. > >So sometimes commenting feels like a waste of time. > >Centralizing helps ensure that there’s vibrant, consistent discussion which is what Lemmy should be about.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/18388026
>I like this because people showing up to those communities might think that topic doesn’t have activity on Lemmy, when it actually does.
>I sometimes think that unmoderated communities should be closed, and just be left and locked with a pointer to the active one. In case an issue arises with the active one, they can still be unlocked and used as back up.
The next question is, of course "Which instance should we consolidate to?"
- !harrypotter@lemmy.world is currently the largest sub, but also the largest instance, and moving off of the largest instance would be good for the Fediverse as a whole.
- !harrypotter@literature.cafe seems appropriate, given that Harry Potter is, well, a book. Large sub on a small instance.
- !harrypotter@lemm.ee is a small sub on a large instance.
- !harrypotter@feddit.nl is very small, but European. (Might feddit.uk be an option?)
- !harry_potter@diagonlemmy.social is also an option, but risky given the fragility of the instance. Could blue_berry provide some assurances that the instance will be stable for the foreseeable future, and perhaps improve the bus factor of the instance?
My hunch is that a stable, medium-sized instance would be best. What are your thoughts? Is consolidation worth a try?
If nothing else, the experiment could serve as a test for whether or not consolidation is effective in boosting engagement and discussion.
Active User Growth
!textsfromsolarpunk@slrpnk.net, textsfromsolarpunk, up 39.4% to 1899, (18 posts) !latex@programming.dev, LaTeX, up 25.8% to 58, (6 posts) !meow_irl@sopuli.xyz, MEOW_IRL, up 22.4% to 1935, (287 posts) !gardening@midwest.social, Gardening, up 18.6% to 103, (26 posts) !beyond@lemm.ee, Beyond app, up 18.3% to 34, (10 posts) !mushroomgrowers@lemmy.ca, A place to call home for folks who grow mushrooms!, up 14.4% to 21, (11 posts) !ubuntu@lemmy.ml, Ubuntu (Linux), up 14.3% to 30, (56 posts) !niedersachsen@feddit.de, Niedersachsen, up 14.2% to 26, (7 posts) !imaginarydragons@leminal.space, Imaginary Dragons, up 14.2% to 74, (34 posts) !cptsd@lemmy.ml, CPTSD, up 14.2% to 19, (31 posts) !clevercomebacks@feddit.uk, Clever Comebacks, up 14.2% to 349, (27 posts) !cleveland@midwest.social, Cleveland, up 14.2% to 48, (82 posts) !atlanta@lemmy.ml, Atlanta, GA, up 14.2% to 35, (5 posts) !punk_rock@lemmy.ca, Punk Rock, up 13.5% to 86, (272 posts) !learnchinese@lemmygrad.ml, Learn the Chinese language, up 13.5% to 52, (39 posts) !piracy@lemmy.ml, Piracy, up 13.2% to 709, (466 posts) !lunar_punk@slrpnk.net, Lunarpunk, up 13.2% to 257, (21 posts) !badmovies@lemmy.world, Bad Movies, up 10.0% to 21, (42 posts) !ttrpg_dice@ttrpg.network, Gaming Dice, up 9.1% to 66, (20 posts) !alwaysthesamemap@lemmygrad.ml, Always the Same Map, up 8.6% to 48, (90 posts) !softwaregore@lemmy.world, Software Gore, up 8.3% to 198, (166 posts) !adventuregames@lemm.ee, Adventure / Point-and-Click / Narrative Games, up 8.2% to 101, (39 posts) !letstalkaboutgames@feddit.uk, Let's Talk About Games, up 7.7% to 305, (18 posts) !wissenschaft@feddit.de, Wissenschaft, up 7.3% to 121, (163 posts) !liverpool@feddit.uk, Liverpool, up 7.1% to 12, (26 posts) !paleofauna@lemmygrad.ml, Paleofauna, up 7.0% to 20, (49 posts) !indiana@midwest.social, Indiana, up 6.8% to 585, (59 posts) !monkeyuser@programming.dev, MonkeyUser, up 5.7% to 1032, (26 posts) !suomi@lemmygrad.ml, Suomi / Finland, up 4.7% to 10, (4 posts) !mlemapp@lemmy.ml, Mlem for Lemmy, up 4.1% to 371, (296 posts) !learnjapanese@lemmy.ml, Learn Japanese, up 4.0% to 46, (15 posts) !homevideo@feddit.uk, Home Video (VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, 4k), up 3.8% to 340, (199 posts) !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world, Unpopular Opinion, up 3.3% to 1025, (228 posts) !reddit@lemmy.world, Reddit, up 3.3% to 339, (506 posts) !deus_ex@lemmy.ml, Deus Ex, up 3.0% to 822, (37 posts) !thefifthworld@lemm.ee, The fifth world., up 2.8% to 15, (21 posts) !neurodiversity@lemmygrad.ml, Neurodiversity, up 2.5% to 14, (25 posts) !music@lemmy.ml, Music, up 2.4% to 215, (1203 posts) !plan9@lemmy.sdf.org, Plan9, up 2.2% to 12, (11 posts) !meta@lemmygrad.ml, meta, up 2.1% to 30, (49 posts) !melbournetrains@aussie.zone, Melbourne Trains, up 2.0% to 112, (95 posts) !tucsonpolitics@tucson.social, Tucson Politics, up 1.6% to 276, (906 posts) !diy@beehaw.org, Do It Yourself, up 1.5% to 22, (129 posts) !balconygardening@slrpnk.net, Balcony Gardening, up 1.5% to 84, (25 posts)
Subscriber Growth
!nova@dmv.social, NoVA / Northern Virginia, up 0.2% to 441, (121 posts, 2 recent)
!learningrustandlemmy@lemmy.ml, Learning Rust and Lemmy, up 30.1% to 195, (18 posts, 10 recent) !trans@lemmy.blahaj.zone, Trans, up 25.6% to 124, (34 posts, 31 recent) !actual_discussion@lemmy.ca, Actual Discussion, up 1.2% to 104, (12 posts, 8 recent) !grasweeti@slrpnk.net, Sweet Graffiti and other acts of wholesome vandalism, up 0.8% to 82, (24 posts, 4 recent) !independentfilms@feddit.de, Independent Movies, Series and Documentaries, up 0.7% to 26, (9 posts, 3 recent) !trams_trolleys_streetcars@lemmy.blahaj.zone, Trams, Trolleys and Streetcars, up 0.4% to 23, (8 posts, 3 recent) !tenforward@lemmy.world, TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name, up 0.4% to 1692, (565 posts, 106 recent) !internetofshit@suppo.fi, Internet of Shit, up 0.4% to 143, (6 posts, 2 recent) !hellointernet@feddit.uk, Hello Internet, up 0.3% to 43, (13 posts, 4 recent) !weirdnews@real.lemmy.fan, Weird News - Things that make you go 'hmmm', up 0.2% to 103, (37 posts, 17 recent) !askmenover30@lemm.ee, askmenover30, up 0.2% to 287, (18 posts, 8 recent) !harrypotter@literature.cafe, Harry Potter, up 0.1% to 145, (35 posts, 5 recent)
(Results are averaged over the past 7 days)
He was abducted by Hagrid when he turned 11 so that would place him maybe around the fifth or sixth grade.
I don't know if canonically there are math classes at Hogwarts.
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The thought came to while I was watching the anime Mashle. If you are into Harry Potter and One-Punch Man I'd recommend giving it a watch.
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Someone mentioned this community below; I wanted to highlight it.
> Small promotion for !harrypotter@literature.cafe
As winter calls for magic and castles, I'm trying to revive this community. For Kbin: !harrypotter@literature.cafe
Edit: I can't get the Kbin link to work, if someone can help me that would be great!
If you are on another instance it is highly recommended that you browse this post on literature.cafe instead of your home instance to ensure you are seeing the most up to date version.
Below is a current list of known communities on literature.cafe, organized by category. This list was last updated on: August 12, 2023
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General Book Focused Communities
!fiction@literature.cafe - The discussion of fiction books!
!nonfiction@literature.cafe - For discussion of all nonfiction books!
!classics@literature.cafe - For discussion of all classic books!
!tefn@literature.cafe - A community to discuss Eastern Fantasy Novels and Light Novels.
!audiobooks@literature.cafe - For talk of all things audiobook related!
!libraries@literature.cafe - For talk of all things related to libraries!
!bannedbooks@literature.cafe - Community dedicated to discussion of banned and challenged books.
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Writing Focused Communities
!fanfiction@literature.cafe - For discussion of fanfiction
!writers_lounge@literature.cafe - A casual space for writers to talk, post, or discuss anything.
!writingprompts@literature.cafe - Writing prompts, duh!
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Fandom Based
!harrypotter@literature.cafe - For Harry Potter fans
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Instance Specific
!meta@literature.cafe - Literature.cafe’s meta community for announcements, requests, bug reports. etc etc.
!chat@literature.cafe - Local off topic chat for literature.cafe, any and all are welcome. For discussions of books and beyond.
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Shopping
!ebookdeals@literature.cafe - For sharing deals on ebooks
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I'll probably categorize this more as I need to, for local users that you want any new community listed that you don't see already just message me with a link to your new community announcement post and I'll add it above.
Yeah well i don’t think they should lock that community if the mod doesn’t want it to be locked. Do you really think that would be right? Should i go and demand the solarpunk bird community to be locked because world’s is more active? I think it’d be pretty bad if they did, not that i think they would.
It's up to debate, but to me if the mod isn't active for the community (e.g. posting regularly), they should ask for someone else to take up that role. And if nobody wants the role, and there is another active community to redirect too, it could be nice to lock the inactive community down and redirect to the active one.
I mod a few inactive communities (such as !harrypotter@literature.cafe ). If someone came to me and said "hey, we've been trying to get our own HP community active, you already have some people on yours, would you mind locking yours down as you don't seem to actively mod it, and redirect to ours?" I would definitely do it.
Also i don’t think that user you called out is part of world’s staff.
They are not, but at the same time the LW rules still allow them to namesquat that community.
The paradox of choice is something you have deal with in the fediverse i guess, starts at choosing a server. I don’t think it should be that big of a deal, as long as communities can be found from the instances internal search.
For the instance, as long as you take the big ones (LW, lemm.ee, SJW, dbzer0, lemmy.ca, etc.), your experience will indeed be the same. To know which community to post too, this is a different story, and I've seen a lot of people telling me "I stay on Reddit because when I when to post about a topic, there's a clear community where to. On Lemmy, there are two or three active communities competing for the same topic, and it's just confusing". Of course we should keep different communities for different folks (no one would consider merging lemmy.ml communities with LW's), but we can also reduce the confusion for a few core topics that can help new joiners to get settled
I still don’t think they keep us from being upgraded to be mean.
They are not, but as I said earlier, LW is so large than they have to be extra cautious with their updates. If they would be 20% of the total Lemmy population, and 30 of the top 100 communities compared to now, they would probably be more at ease with "me can mess up a bit, it's okay". Having them as a cornerstone of the whole platform puts them constantly under the spotlight.
I've gone on before on how the idea of "consolidating" can be a problem because it leads to centralization. We already have a problem with instances like lemmy.world being too centralizing and taking people off a community and tossing them into another one with a different culture, or even worse into one where they are defederated from their instance, is not going to solve the issue.
And I want to emphasize the point about culture. All those HP communities "might" be the same but they have every right to be different, and to conduct themselves differently, in various ways. !harrypotter@literature.cafe has one focus but !harrypotter@feddit.nl could have different focus or even be able to discuss subjects that literature.cafe can't because of jurisdiction. We could even have !harrypotter@nsfw.it (for example) and certainly that can't be clearly merged with either of the above.
So, IMO, any "solution" for the idea of consolidation has to allow instances and communities to exist as they are, and does not have to norm that content that can be posted to one community has to be valid for all communities. Else, we're returning to the Reddit and the Facebook that we left.
Hey,
Thanks for posting this!
There could definitely be some consolidation. I mod !harrypotter@literature.cafe, the community hasn't been that active recently, mostly I think because the Lemmy demographic may have moved on from that universe.
The diagonlemmy seem to have gotten some traction with their memes, that's nice to see
Paging moderators and/or admins (main subs):
- !harrypotter@lemmy.world: @Hurts@lemmy.world, @Historical_General@lemm.ee
- !harrypotter@literature.cafe: @queenie@literature.cafe, @Firebolt@literature.cafe, @gabe@literature.cafe, @Arthur@literature.cafe
- !harrypotter@lemm.ee: @Historical_General@lemm.ee
- !harrypotter@feddit.nl: @Lady_Margot@feddit.nl
- feddit.uk @Emperor@feddit.uk
- !harry_potter@diagonlemmy.social: @blueberry@diagonlemmy.social, @blue_berry@feddit.de, @blue_berry@lemmy.world.
Paging moderators and/or admins (niche subs):
- !hpfanfiction@lemmy.world: @the_phony_pony@lemmy.world
- !hp_magicawakened@lemm.ee: @Grumbles@lemm.ee
- !harry_potter_languages@lemmy.world: @GabrielBell12fi@lemmy.world
- !dramione@lemmy.world: @Kthxbye@lemmy.world
- !slytherin@lemmy.world: @BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world
- !slytherin@sopuli.xyz: @wren@sopuli.xyz
Paging recent/active contributors:
Hey, Good Luck with your endeavors. Beware of mob brigading and "canceling" you. There is already !harrypotter@literature.cafe Make sure you have at least one or two moderators with additional technical sysadmin that will keep the instance up.
I think the biggest challenge at the start will be keeping community alive. I know from experience that if you are the only person posting it is disheartening, and it leads to very fast burnout.
direct comm subscribe link !harrypotter@literature.cafe
fyi, Mbin now can utilize the standard ! format
Well, as always I'll recommend our small existing community !harrypotter@literature.cafe
Literature.cafe is a lovely instance, Gabe the admin is a very nice person.
Good luck with your instance, I'll probably visit
To put in concrete terms: I wouldn’t have any problem to create a HP community on a topic-specific instance like https://metacritics.zone. @blue_berry@lemmy.world, would you be interested in that? I can make you mod if you want.
Keep it easy, I think a community such as !harrypotter@literature.cafe is more than sufficient for now
There is !harrypotter@literature.cafe if you want to join. There is some activity at the moment, but not enough to go for a dedicated instance.
Also, as the other comments have shown, the bigotry of the author does not help.
Nice to see !harrypotter@literature.cafe, !languagelearning@sopuli.xyz and !moviesandtv@lemm.ee grow!
You can crosspost to !harrypotter@literature.cafe
You should just need to write !harrypotter@literature.cafe in the comment box, and the link is generated automatically. Should work in both Lemmy and kbin at least, not sure about mbin but would make sense that it works there as well. :)
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !harrypotter@literature.cafe