Why Are You Still Rooting Your Android Phone?
Why Are You Still Rooting Your Android Phone?
Years ago, on Fridays, we would share Custom ROM Friday posts that would highlight new and exciting developments in the world of custom Android ROMs. It was great times, as it seemed like the majority of our readers at the time were deep into running custom software and accessing root...
Do you root or do you go straight to ROMs?
It's worth discussing at least. I used to be a big fan of flashing custom software, kernels, recoveries, etc.
At some point though, it started becoming more and more of a hassle to get a phone with an unlockable bootloader to work with my mobile network operator. Limited choices of I even had one.
Then all the banking and p2p apps stopped being easy to use while rooted, so we had to hide root from those apps. Then that got harder and harder.
Meanwhile the custom features that I used to want became mostly standard within Android.
At this point, I don't really bother with rooting anymore because there's little that I need it for but lots of hassle involved in having it. Now Google is blocking RCS messages from being delivered to rooted phones.
So if Android is now basically iOS with how much it's locked down from modification, why not just get an iPhone with better features I care about (their cameras and photo software) and better long-term updates? What is it that Google is even aiming for with Android now? If they're going to be hostile to users owning their own hardware, then maybe the OS should see more than a single line item change for a major version (android 14). I don't feel like Google has made any meaningful additions to the OS in a decade+ now.
This is more or less how I feel. I haven't rooted in years, though I have installed non-root ROMs to extend support.
Google's SafetyNet stuff is simply unreasonable, and a shameless power-grab. I'm so tired of software and websites trying to control what I do with my own goddamn hardware and software "for my safety".
It's gotten to the point where the "security" features actively hamper my security, because they leave me unable to improve it. e.g. my banking app would rather I be on an unsecured wireless network than have me use a reputable VPN. Their web site would rather have me expose myself to malvertising than run an ad blocker. They'd rather have me running an outdated OS with heaps of known security vulnerabilities than run a fully patched LineageOS. They'd rather I use my carrier's unsecured DNS than DOH. And heaven forbid I block trackers!
Nevertheless, I stick with Android because there are still lots of things I value that I still can't do on an iPhone. No, I don't download torrents on my phone very often, but I've needed to in the past and will likely need to again at some point, so I'm not going to buy a phone that doesn't let me install benign apps just because I might use them to download things they don't want me to download.
The whole industry is user-hostile, but Android is still less hostile than iOS.
Perfectly well said.
It's infuriating to have to split a banking app off the VPN tunnel because they deem that secure. Or that 2FA over SMS which is inherently insecure and spoofable is acceptable and REQUIRED versus an RSA key or authenticator app.
It's pushing me into grumpy old man territory quickly. My bank swapped to some of these requirements for their app last year so now I phone in on an international VOIP number over VPN and can do all my banking. It's absolutely insane that's its an acceptable form of communication over my secure device in my hand, but it's easier to call the line like an octagenerian, give them digits off of a debit card, and be able to wire money in and out and around all my accounts. I see why scammers have such an easy time.
Meanwhile the custom features that I used to want became mostly standard within Android.
See, I'm the opposite.
I never used to flash ROMs or root my phone until Android 11. I won't tolerate a device that tells me what I can and can't access in the file explorer when I was previously able to. I won't accept an Android OS that removes features I used and puts up barriers. And there are many things LineageOS let's me do that stock won't. Settings that get hidden and functions that get removed.
When I was rooting/flashing custom ROMs I was spending a lot of time tinkering or debugging issues. I could deal with forgoing bank apps, Netflix, etc but I stopped in the end after cyanogenmod had an issue that meant emergency calls would soft reboot the phone. It made me realise my phone was an appliance not a hobby, I need to be able to rely on it and not be wondering if something won't work because of the ROM I have installed or because it's rooted.
LineageOS has needed exactly zero tinkering from me on the last three phones I've had.
I hear this all the time from people: "I used to root/flash and it was a hassle so I stopped." And yet they still talk about it as if they're doing it now.
What you remember is not how it currently is. Graphene and Lineage are stable ROMs. It's not this nightmare people keep claiming it is
People said the same thing about custom ROM stability and ease of use 10 years ago.
What you remember is not how it currently is.
That's funny considering you also wrote this elsewhere in the thread:
I never used to flash ROMS or root my phone until Android 11.
So you actually have no idea what you are talking about since you literally didn't experience it...
Possibly, the last time I flashed an OS was 2019 and I lost a lot of features that i had on the stock rom and had a lot of battery life and lag issues.
@deweydecibel @peter Agreed! I've recently been trying roms on a Pixel 7 and it's nothing like the dark ages. Just READ the install guide, make sure your computer is configured properly, and follow the steps. I've ran Graphene, Calyx, and Lineage on my P7. The only problems I've had were related to something I didn't do correctly. Stop, READ, rinse, and repeat. Modern rooms are fantastic and they let you regain control of your device.
Custom ROM: yes, rooted: no
Still, google shouldn't be blocking a messaging functionality just because something is rooted. That's fucked.
^ pretty much this
Google blocking RCS after their complaints about Apple not supporting their standard is really funny, but why CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 in this case?
The Google Messages app is Google Proprietary as is their server implementation for RCS
quick question: an unrooted lineageos install will allow me to use banking apps hassle-free?
because now the only thing that helps is rooting and using xposed to hide the fact im on a custom rom....
Really depends on the banking app. Unfortunately, you have to try it yourself. You can also give it a go in Waydroid.
I have root on this phone I'm using to post. I'm also running LineageOS 21.
The reason I do this is because this is my phone and I'll be in control of it. Also I want to keep my phone running as long as possible. I'm still using a Pixel 2 XL.
Sure, but why root? These days you can flash custom roms without root on a lot of phones (including my fairphone 4)
Spite mostly. I have small QoL improvements, but mostly because Google says I can't do what I want with my device.
Specific reasons:
- AdAway - ad blocking, can't live without
- SnapEnhance - ad blocking & other tweaks to make SC more usable
- Revanced (w/o microgapps) - YouTube mod w/ sponsorblock & returned dislikes
- PixelExpert - misc UI tweaks like separate WiFi & mobile data tiles, as well as a 3 wide qs panel
- SmartSpacer - Custom complications on my at a glance screen. Can do useful things like show me my gas rewards card when in range of a gas stations WiFi, notifications for missed calls, texts, and emails that I might have dismissed from my tray
- MACsposed - let's me spoof my MAC address. Used it to snag free WiFi on planes
- Swift Backup - backs my phone up to my server every night
- GAppsMod - enable call recording & other features on Google dialer & messages
- DarkTricks - additional misc toggles, some overlap with PixelExpert but occasionally has better implementations (power button flashlight, volume keys to skip tracks, etc)
No longer working:
- Xposed edge pro - let you bind a bunch of gestures to different actions or fly outs from any screen. Hasn't been functional in Android 14 and it seems like the dev has dipped. I genuinely miss having an app fly out (but not enough to buy a Samsung)
Do you have any link to PixelExpert?
Thank you!
https://github.com/siavash79/PixelXpert
Used to be AOSP mods, should still mostly work on builds that remain close to AOSP on other devices too
No root, no fun, I always go with custom ROMs and a bunch of modules, LSposed services and apps with root services.
Currently in Magisk I have the following modules:
Play Integrity Fix and Playcurl both to pass Safety Net and device integrity.
REX YT and REX YT music I found it faster and easier to handle with said modules than using a revanced app manager (especially because I change custom ROMs often and I hate ticking stuff often LMAO).
Systemless Hosts for AdAway.
Zygisk LSposed for a bunch of other services.
Zygisk Detach to have a sane way to avoid auto update per app in the Google Play Store.
In LSposed I have currently on the following apps:
Classic Power Menu which gives me quick access to my Google Home gadgets, even from the LS.
Discovery Killer to get rid of Google Discovery, or better yet, take advantage of it and replace it with a better app, like Feeder.
Lucky Patcher to get coins and stuff for the old game "Nimble Quest" which I had to side load because it is no longer possible to download it from the Playstore, nor buy stuff "legally" (yey freedom!).
Twifucker for getting rid of Twitter ads and some other perks which I don't think I use (I also use Instander for the same subject).
Regarding the apps I granted root permissions to work nice:
AdAway to block ads systemwide with the host file without wasting the DNS/VPN spots nor draining Battery.
App Manager to manage apps (duh).
Battery Guru to manage the battery (I'm still amazed iOS has more transparency than android in this regard, at least in A14 with my phone I'm not able to see the battery health of my hardware).
BBS, I used to use it to check wakelocks, but Guru does it too, I have it on, but the app is frozen.
Classic Power Menu
Discovery Killer
Droidify (the only sane way to auto update apps without manual interaction, I think).
Force Doze, to save battery, allegedly.
Fp Downloader to spoof my fingerprint when Google bans it, just open the app and that's it.
FKM to manage my kernel, install other kernels, backup boot and dtbo images etc.
Hail to froze apps as I like.
Horizon Kernel Flasher to flash other kernels (I found it faster than FKM).
IceBox, similar to Hail, I found it first but I could just use Hail alone.
Swift Backup to have a sane system backup, again, iOS does this way better than Google, with Swift Backup at least you get a way to backup all the relevant stuff of your info and it also support plenty of cloud services.
Termux to manage detach and some other stuff.
I wouldn't say I'm a power user, but I like complete freedom of using my phone as I please, and as a former jailbreak user I won't let Google get rid of that fun for me.
I'd do it if I didn't lose access to Google Pay, banking apps and RCS. AKA, be sent back to 2011
I don't want bloatware and Google services on my phone. I want to install magisk modules and use root. If a phone doesn't allow unlocking bootloader and doesn't have decent custom rom (or GSI) support, there's no way I'm buying it.
I stopped running custom ROMs when two things came together:
- I stopped buying Samsung stuff with their then-godawful UI. I still don't like their current one, but hey, they improved a lot, I give them that.
- Cyanogen self-destructed a wee bit, and it took some time for Lineage to take up many devices I had around.
Once I had dropped off, I just could not be arsed picking it up any more. Too much hassle with Netflix and shit, too much effort for ~0 gain. I just need my phone to work, it's a tool not a religion.
Personally I would stop installing custom ROMs if the DAMN MANUFACTURER STOPPED SHOVING GOOGLE DOWN MY THROAT
@Hiro8811 You no likely things in throat?
I've never had an issue with Netflix on a rooted phone.
I just go with lineage on every phone. It's easier to already be on lineage when security updates stop instead of reaching that point and then having to reset my phone and jump ship to stay updated.
My old Pixel 2 had been out of official security updates for a long time and Google only guaranteed security updates to pixel 5 until last year. I'll probably still be on pixel 5 for a few more years since every new one past that seems to be even bigger.
I should probably consider this the next time I upgrade.
This might be a stupid question but I am so far out of the rom game that I have no clue. Does lineage or others support copying data over from a current phone either from stock or same os? I've been rocking pixels and nexus before it and it's gotten so easy to move to a new phone with 90%+ of apps and data just being ready to go.
I'm pretty sure I was able to use the Google account phone backup (I think it's called Google one) to restore apps, home screen, and other things since I'm not committed to degoogling yet. I guess flashing gapps brings the cloud backup section into the android settings and that's been super useful. It reinstalls apps from play store and supposedly includes app data, sms/MMS, and device settings, though i remember always having to re log into a bunch of apps still.
I think there's also a local transfer wizard when doing the first time setup after flashing but I can't remember what the compatibility is for that or whether you need gapps to get that option.
I have been rooting my phones since android 7. I like rooting my phone because
- it allows me to block ads without a VPN or a DNS (AdAway)
- I can install apps from fdroid like I am installing from google play store, I don't have to manually install an app.
- I use NeoBackup to backup apps with app data. *I use revanced (I know I can use the non-root version but why install an extra app (microg) that runs in background).
- I can disable tracking/telemetry of individual apps by disabling their activity component.
So, I would say rooting is a big deal for me and banking apps still works.
I can install apps from fdroid like I am installing from google play store, I don’t have to manually install an app.
On that note, is the opposite possible? As in, every installation has to be manually confirmed and executed, no matter from where?
I think aurora Store (3rd party foss playstore) can do that but official play store can't.
- Hosts file adblocking (I suppose DNS-based adblocking is good enough now though)
- ACCA (battery charge limiter)
- Now that my primary device isn't getting official updates, I need root for safetynet fix on LineageOS
- It's my bloody device, not the manufacturer's or OS vendor's; I don't want to be locked out of it "for my own good"
Rooted yes, custom rom no (pixel 7). But on previous phones, custom rom once the manufacturers stops providing updates. Using Magisk, all my banking, Netflix, McDonald's, etc still works because I have it hidden from those apps. Root apps I use are things like adaway, wireguard module (not using android vpn), sshfs, 3c toolbox, tasker. And generally having root shell access to do whatever I want to do.
Do you happen to have some resources or links re sshfs? Once I found an app which supports mounting over sshfs but it is barely documented and iirc required passwordless ssh keys to work :(
I'm using the EasySSHFS package from F-Droid. Similar to mounting on Linux, you must create a folder as the mount point. For example, on my phone I first manually made the folder called /storage/self/primary/mnt in a local root terminal in connectbot (create a connection, protocol local, type in "su" to become root, grant access when prompted, then type "mkdir /storage/self/primary/mnt" to create the directory)
In the EasySSHFS new connection setup, i put that path in the seventh field on the form. In the sixth field is the path on the remote server that you wish to mount, for example /home/khorak
In the other fields give the username and password (or key file)
The last field contains the mount options, I did not need to change them but you can if needed.
EasySSHFS needs to be allowed root access.
Once you mount, the folder created previously at /storage/self/primary/mnt will contain the contents of the remote server. In my case, using this path makes it appear like it is on the sdcard in android. I can watch videos using VLC or listen to mp3 songs etc as if they are local on my phone.
Why not? For AdAway, AFWall, Xposed (mainly XPrivacy), Backups, IPv6 scripts and more...
Just because fuck you google
I haven't rooted and rommed since the days of Paranoid Android and Franco kernel on the Nexus 5. I went to a Samsung phone after that which I would have rooted if I could, but after a couple samsungs I went to Pixels and felt no need to root or ROM.
My priorities:
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Blocking ads and protecting privacy.
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Being able to accomplish the task on my phone.
Literally every phone has its priorities out of whack and I have to fix it myself.
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It's simply a risk. Android is designed how it is for a purpose.
I still use a custom ROM, GrapheneOS - which also strongly recommends not to root your device!
i root solely for adblocking and for hiding my custom rom from the annoying apps that don't like it.
I always rooted but I stopped cuz it's such a hassle these days. All my apps stop working and magisk is not as good as it used to be since the guy went to work for Google.
@AnActOfCreation @TheEighthDoctor Oh damn. Didn't know he got a job at Google 😂
I root my phone so I can record my calls. That's about it. I do other things with root but they aren't the reason.
Why do I want to record my calls? Because my memory is shit and it's nice to just be and to go back to a recording lol
I believe Androids have call recording built in. At least the Google pixels do (I'm on graphene)
I have a Pixel 7 Pro, in the U S. (and some other countries) call recording is disabled by default and sometimes it's possible to get your phone to think it's from a region where it isn't, and then enable it, but I haven't really looked into it recently. It's also really fucked because my state in the U S. allows call recording, so I really feel Google is being lazy by restricting it countrywide.
Which App do you use for recording?
I use skvalex's Call Recorder. Been using it around half a decade.
My old phones always end up getting rooted out of boredom just to see what it can do and stuff, but I don't really fuck with my daily driver just in case something fucks up and I don't want to worry about my phone not working for some reason.
Same. Once I replace my Pixel 7 with a new phone I have moved all important stuff off from it, I will slap LineageOS or grapheneOS on it.
because it's goddamn usefull. To theme my phone,block ads, have an iptables based firewall and bypass cencorship with (dpi tunnel ). I can't imagine using an unrooted phone. I was never a fan of immutable distros anyway
I used to root and use a custom ROM just because I needed to have separate ringer and notification volumes. Google removed that feature over a decade ago for unexplained reasons. They finally brought it back in the latest update, so I no longer feel the need to root anymore.
I use rooted Lineage OS. Why?:
- Viper4android
- Iconify
- Neobackup
- replace webview(you could do it with ADB but there's a module so it's easier after resetting phone)
- DRM disabler
I don’t root my phones all the time. For the most part I leave it unrooted so I can use streaming apps and such.
However when I’m upgrading my from one version of Android to another, I root my device to backup my apps, so I don’t need to set everything up again. Browser book marks, playlists etc.
Sucks that most apps won’t allow you to export this to a file, but at least there is some ways to backup my apps.
I haven't since my S5, but with the constant regressive changed Google is making, it's becoming more and more tempting to do it again.
Would be nice if App developers would stop blocking use of their apps if you have a rooted device, though.
File explorer mostly.
Something something google personal data I love foss espionage tinfoil hat something
I stopped to root my phone when I switched to GrapheneOS and learned that root compromised the security model of android. Life is good now
Well, yes, breaking the security model is the whole point. The security model prevents things you might want to do, like using the hosts file as a denylist (adblocking). On the other hand, a malicious app writing the hosts file would allow an attacker to impersonate websites and services. HTTPS wouldn't save you either since they could add malicious certificates.
Ideally, we'd have ways to open much smaller holes in the security model; an ACL could allow an app to write just the one special file or directory it actually needs rather than giving it completely unrestricted access.
I still root my android phone because I use an iPhone as my main phone. That way I can do whatever the fuck I want to my android phone and not care.
I stopped tinkering with ROMs a long time ago and I’ve just stuck with Nexus and Pixel devices so I don’t feel the need for a ROM.
I dont use root anymore. My daily driver is a Pixel 6 with GrapheneOS which works out of the box really well for me.
Custom build of (rooted post-buildtime) GrapheneOS.
I understand all the reasons not to root GrapheneOS but I enjoy the control and options over my device that I'd otherwise not have if it wasn't for rooting
@AnActOfCreation With magisk you can hide root but not sure if it works for RCS?
I stopped some years ago but I think I'll have to start again because ROMs are becoming so sh***y and won't let me use my phone and my app the way I want
Since I like my phone with a bunch of 2FA codes and banking apps working, I don't flash my phone anymore.
But I did it in my teens with my Galaxy Y and some rom (I only remember the boot up sound to be a section of a song, being extremely loud and it got me in trouble resulting in a phone confiscation) I found online to get root permissions and later on my S4 with CyanogenMod and later with LineageOS. Still have both :)I’m married and old and unattractive. I’m not rooting ANYONE.
I used to, but ever since I started using a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact followed by the XZ1 Compact and now the Zenfone 8, ive never rooted it since it's not as easy to do so compared to my old Nexus 4.
AdAway, AFWall+, A-GPS SUPL Replacer, Pixel Tensor Audio Decompressor, Wireguard Command line tools, Termux and chroot capabikities, App Manager, Pixel IMS, SDMaid automation, and a number of other controls on how my phone works.
Its not for everyone.