Enlightened Centrism

The centrists has their basic needs met and isn't part of a social group that is threatened so they see both as a waste of tax spending.

Maybe I’m the centrist in this scenario, but isn’t that just normal left? I’d expect far left to be like “we are going to exterminate all the rich then give their stuff to everyone else”

USA: we don't have a left. Democrats are at best center.

The answer is always in the middle. Let's do a little basic needs but only for the rich and a little genocide but only in the middle east

It says something, that securing people's basic needs is considered "far" left.

my team: perfect angels

your team: evil monsters

it literally does not matter what two groups you are comparing, if you sound like this then a lot of people are not going to engage

Tankies on Hexbear: Both fascists, you really shouldn't vote

"Well I don't think we can meet everybody's needs so I'm unfortunately gonna have to side with the other movement, sorry!"

People who already have their needs accounted for always seem so convinced that things will turn out hunky dory if things escalate to violence, and yet so rarely pass thought on the folks who are already struggling enough without The Troubles Part II Red Cap Boogaloo coming to a car bombing near them.

No. Centrists: "We think absolutes turn into fucking problems. We should have a choice and not a choice between two things we ALL don't like."

Leftists: never show up to vote

Also leftists: nothing ever gets done. Both parties must be the same

Edit:

More info from Pew 2022 election polls:

Age and the 2022 election Age continues to be strongly associated with voting preferences in U.S. elections. Nearly seven-in-ten voters under 30 (68%) supported Democratic candidates in 2022 – much higher than the shares of voters ages 30 to 49 (52%), 50 to 64 (44%) and 65 and older (42%) who did so. Compared with 2018, GOP candidates performed better among voters who turned out across age groups.

Also:

Older voters turned out more reliably in both elections – and continued to be largely loyal to Republican candidates.

centrists are usually right wing wanting the votes/approval from left

It's funny to see people that have swallowed anti communist peograganda hook line and sinker flounder in here trying to discredit the far left.

Well, it's hard to tell liberals and conservatives apart, mostly because liberalism isn't left wing, but actually slightly right from centre, and both liberalism and conservativism share some similarities.

This is what McCarthyism did. It's the great goal post mover.

Far centre: Would you guys just fuck already.

Ah, the weekly "far left is the best and everyone else is wrong" post.

@FlyingSquid In my humble experience and understanding 'centrism' has been always an euphemism for 'far right' for the "politically correct" miserable cowards...

As someone that's called a centrist a lot...

I think it's more "I'm tired just let me die."

Far right: give me absolute power so I can make the country strong!

Far left: give me absolute power so I can make everyone in the country equal!

Centrist: Both of these groups are made up of grifters and the rubes that fall for the scam that is ideology. We know from history the problems with ideologies, and only those ignorant of history (whether deliberately or not) fall for bullshit "ideologies" whether they be "left" or "right".

In fact the "political spectrum" is just a construct that's only useful as a shorthand to quickly distinguish between moderate political parties. The complexities of functioning society can't be reduced to a one dimensional line FFS. People who are tricked into thinking this way are ill-equipped to govern a functioning society. History has shown that the one dimensional political thinkers have failed at governing every time they've been given the opportunity to do so.

But isn't being forced to pay taxes a form of extermination?!

"I'm fiscally Republican and socially a Liberal" is another great line to hide behind.

If by centrists, you mean neo-liberal Democrats, you got it.

Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the face of the Earth.

Centrists get it from both ends.

It's the means of how they do so that the centrists see as the same

Far left: we're going to dress in all black and burn buildings down to protest racism of which many of the shops will be locally owned by people of color.

Far right: we're going to ravage the civil liberties of every group of people that aren't white religious old rich people and convince poor white people it's the patriotic thing to do.

Centrists: You're both fucked but one of you is less fucked I guess.

Centrist here. I don't think the point of horseshoe theory is that the far-left and far-right are the same. The point is simply that they have similarities. Like both wanting to use violence to achieve their aims.

ALL Leftists according to rightists: "all I want is basic needs met, obviously anyone who doesn't grant a toddler universal basic income, and free on demand sex change surgery and accompanying hormones is obviously a nazi. Also, fuck white people, fuck men, fuck anyone in an incumbent demographic category. Simply by being male and white you should immediately pay reparations for daring to exist. Anyone who even asks about any of these subjects is committing a crime and should never be allowed to speak again. Also it's illegal to not be attracted to fat people"

ALL Rightists according to leftists: "Anyone who I'm too stupid to understand shouldn't exist. There is no middle ground or grey area on anything, it's my way or the highway. All minorities shouldn't exist at all, no one should exist who doesn't conform to my specific set of arbitrary values. Anyone who says otherwise is a communist and hates themselves. Literally everyone must die. The police never make mistakes and any form of authority must be taken as 100% true at face value"

Centrists: "you both seem extremely closed-minded and I'm struggling to come to any conclusion other than being extreme is bad, and that these are complex subjects. I will try to focus on not being extreme."

Yeah anyone can write literally anything you fucking idiots

Edit: how you know you were right - butthurt downvotes without accompanying replies

This forum is exactly like its reddit counterpart: hot garbage

In an American point of view if I may

Pretending that you don't favour certain groups over others is exactly why sane people don't take you seriously, regardless of what group you associate yourself with in an attempt to siphon off some legitimacy from others you don't actually have any real relation with.

Well, far left is anarchism. I haven't heard how they're going to make my basic needs met. But then I haven't ever heard how they're going to get their basic needs met. Or any needs met, for that matter.

Brilliant example of a logical fallacy called false dichotomy.

Is that really 'far' left, though? Far left is, "let a handful of governors control everything, on behalf of communal ownership, and they will make sure everyone's needs are met fairly."

Good lord... the comments on here proves that lemmy.world is flooded with politically incompetent libs that couldn't tell the difference between left and right if their lives depended on it.

If you believe that there is such a thing as an actual "left" in formal political establishments, this means you.

Humans are emotional and tribal creatures. Hopefully we'll merge soon.

I can tell them apart, but the result of the two is the same because once you centralize power (to get more leftist stuff done faster), those with power realize that the far-right offers dictators more. See Russia, for starters. Look at lists of what countries have the smallest percentage of poor people - it's all social-ish democracies like Iceland, Japan, and France.

nobody denies that it's hard, being incredibly stupid.

i just try my best to think logically and realistically idc abt left or right opinions

Also far left: "we're gonna vote a clear centrist into office because surely that will create progress and not backfire"

I can't tell them apart in the way they both seed discord to keep people united behind them. I can't tell them apart in the way they tear apart families with propaganda. In that sense, I'm a centrist.

You can argue one of them does less material damage all day, but they both rely on each other to exist in their current form. They are both predatory institutions that I will not be a part of.

When your only idea to solve problems is violence you don't care for having people's needs met, you just want to dominate others and still claim to be the good guy. I see that on the side of "the left" and you can distance yourself from that without becoming right wing or conservative.

The left: we're gonna spy on everyone to make sure you're fine and doing well!

The right: dude nobody's looking who cares

Centrists: are either of you sure and aware of your statements?