MAGA freaks out after Fox News reports Obama in top 10 presidents — and Trump in dead last

Trump is the most damaging traitor in American history.

Who didn't see that coming-Trump is the worst president.

Remember when Trump asked Russia to help him win the election. Or when Trump thought light brought into the body would cure covid. Or when Trump believed the murderer Putin over our own government. Or...well I could go on, but Trump worked for that last spot on the list. He deserves it.

And so early on a Monday morning to post this too...

Raw Story is garbage. Not because it's partizan, but because it's lazy.

"MAGA freaks out..." is 3 people responding to a fox news tweet identified by their twitter handle, another who's not even identified that way, and some other rando who doesn't agree. That's it, that's the story.

IDK what kind of sweatshop the reporters working for that outlet are laboring under, but there is nothing in this "article" that couldn't be hammered out in 10 min on a smartphone.

Just because it's lefty garbage, doesn't mean it's not garbage.

Here's the full combined list:

1. Lincoln
2. FD Roosevelt
3. Washington
4. T Roosevelt
5. Jefferson
6. Truman
7. Obama
8. Eisenhower
9. LB Johnson
10. Kennedy
11. Madison
12. Clinton
13. J Adams
14. Biden
15. Wilson
16. Reagan
17. Grant
18. Monroe
19. GHW Bush
20. JQ Adams
21. Jackson
22. Carter
23. Taft
24. McKinley
25. Polk
26. Cleveland
27. Ford
28. Van Buren
29. Hayes
30. Garfield
31. Harrison
32. GW Bush
33. Arthur
34. Coolidge
35. Nixon
36. Hoover
37. Tyler
38. Taylor
39. Fillmore
40. Harding
41. Harrison
42. Pierce
43. Johnson
44. Buchanan
45. Trump

Source: http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/uploads/1/0/8/7/108798321/presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024.pdf

Substantially so, he is the worst president in US history. He can hug all the flags he likes, but at the end of the day he’s for Donald Trump not the United States

For me, Trump is ultimately the last president who could possibly have enacted and globally promoted actual climate science based reforms that at least might have stood a chance at preparing America and the world a way forward through what is going to be an extremely challenging next few decades.

Instead he was an incompetent idiot criminal mobster bully who crystalized nascent fascism, religious extremism and anti intellectualism into an unstoppable political force, and in the process broke basically the brains of all of America in one way or another, utterly destroyed our reputation to the rest of the world, and has left an utterly catastrophic political situation in his aftermath, that basically only FDR could possibly hope to do any better than mitigate.

Say what you will about exact placement of other Presidents but Trump very obviously deserves the bottom spot.

The fact that having this 'opinion' outloud in a bar in basically most of America would get me assaulted is further proof that this collosal evil doofus is essentially the best argument against American Exceptionalism I can think of, but I am again literally likely to be assaulted for having it.

Anyway, tl:dr, we're doomed now, thanks Trump.

Two things that make Trump the worst and arguably traitor to the US. Just so you know where I stand.

1. He literally try to overturn an election and remain king.

2. He piled on $8,400,000,000,000 to national debt. $2.5T came from his stupid tax cut law, which were only off set in the billions of increased tariffs, and about $2.3 from discretionary spending increase, plain old Republicans in charge and spending out the wazzu. Saving the last one $3.6T for COVID relief and laws, which everyone and their grandma pointed out the potential for fraud and abuse, but no guard rails were put in place and DOJ is merely chasing back millions in peanuts only because some fraudster was too stupid to keep their mouths shut.

Circumventing the Constitution and exacerbating the wealth inequality, were real acts of degrading the US, and at best just not giving a damn about the American people. Compared to all the other crap he did that were more performative, while below the office if the President, these two things have long term effect of weakening the county that I love. He's the worst President and the modern Republicans are only in for themselves.

Bullshit! Everybody knows Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho is #1.

Everyone debating the outcomes but no one’s talking about the criteria the list is based on. What criteria they used has to be discussed before we can debate why we think it’s wrong or if a particular president should actually be here or there.

And Trump was dead last.

Biden debuted at 14th.

Honestly Andrew Jackson ought to be way down at the bottom too

Jackson is not in the bottom but Harrison is? People need to read some history books. Dying 35 days into your presidency is worse than a genocide?

Putting Harrison in the bottom five is just mean. It wasn't his fault he died 20 days into his term.

Well, it was kind of his fault. But more the doctors' fault.

I wouldn't say Obama is a top 10 president but he was a good president.

Meanwhile Trump was objectively a terrible president - a venal, mercurial, criminal narcissist who sold out his allies and whose incompetence managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people during a pandemic and capped off his term with an insurrection. Not enough history has passed to judge exactly where he is in relation to some other terrible presidents but I reckon he'll be in the bottom 3 for sure.

If it makes them feel better... Trump makes the top 10 in my lifetime...

1. Obama
2. Clinton
3. Carter
4. Reagan
5. Biden
6. H.W. Bush
7. Ford
8. W. Bush
9. Nixon
10. Trump

Kinda funny that William Henry Harrison managed 41st place, considering he was only president for a few weeks in 1841. Considering the rankings were voted on by "self-styled experts", part of me wonders if they did that on purpose.

Also took me a moment to realize why the list includes 46 presidents (up to Biden) but only has 45 rankings. For anyone else who's wondering, it's because of Grover Cleveland's non-consecutive terms making him both the 22nd and 24th president.

Franklin Pierce at 42

Pierce and Buchanan are always bottom tier. One laid groundwork for the Civil War and the other lit the match ensuring Lincoln would, if elected President, increase hostilities.

Pierce at 42 should in my mind be 44 if not 43. Trump coming in at 45 seems about right, maybe 44 if I’m being generous.

But Trump literally tried overthrowing the US government. There’s just no way history is going to be kind to him. There’s nothing that can be done, no one can go back and undo the past.

Dude’s lasting legacy is going to be defined by pretty much, “Oh yeah, he attempted to overthrow the US government. And he was so powerful and charismatic, he got nominated to run for President again to get a second swipe at overthrowing the Government.”

The Fox News report was teased on social media with this tagline: "New presidential rankings place Obama in top 10, Reagan and Trump below Biden."

Seems like an understatement.

Yeah, no on this sorry this article is bullshit... Trump is a bad guy and was a bad president but Andrew Jackson ordered the Trail of Tears and forced over a hundred thousand people to walk into desert concentration camps.

why in the unholy shitting fuck is MAGA considered a person

This is absolutely unprecedented for Fox News to publish. Normally they're praising the Republican Party so hard that you could see their political bias from space. Has Hell frozen over or is this some kind of editorial fuck-up that's going to make heads roll?

Imagine admitting that Barack Hussein Obama, the 44th President of the United States, was the sixth-best president in US history.

These results are interesting, though the article does note that the overall results seem to map along party lines for mote contemporary presdients (with notable exceptions, like Clinton.) In case anyone wonders, the polling pool was:

"...current and recent members of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association ... as well as scholars who had recently published peer-reviewed academic research in key related scholarly journals or academic presses."

So, not a general survey in case anyone wonders.

Edit: I do wonder how balanced this survey was, though... if Obama was 6th and 15h and Biden was 13th among Democrats and 30th among Republicans, and nonetheless 14th overall, it does suggest that the poll was heavily skewed toward Democratic respondents. Nothing wrong with that, just food for thought.

even Republican participants in the survey viewed him [Trump] as being among the five worst presidents

and yet republicants are still lining-up to lovingly change his diaper and vote for him.

I think this is a little exaggerated. Trump fits in to the do-nothing Republicans Harding/Coolidge/Hoover, maybe at the bottom of those because of the insurrection. I just don't think there's a real argument for worst president ever.

There's recency bias, and the bias of the surveyed historians being in the college-educated group which has moved the fastest against Trump. That explains why Reagan is still top half but Trump is absolute bottom.

Trump is #1.... In felonies.

Rupert obviously enjoys trolling the rubes from time to time.

Dumbya and Nixon should be below Hoover.

I wonder what Trump plans to do about it, other than whinge. Get reelected by abandoning Fox News and using tRuTh sOcIaL instead?

Someone just tell Donny that this scoring was like golf. Lowest score wins. Winning!!!

Maga Cult

Truth hurts.

Seems very on-brand for that bunch. They are always angry.