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Excuse me sir do you have any idea how Hamas you were driving just now?

Is hamas woke? According to some people, probably.

Hamas!

I am all Hamas on this blessed day

good bad is definitely the wrong approach. Like i said i love talking about the intricacies of these conflicts, because they're fun, but anytime someone pulls out stats or numbers that are/aren't verified my eyes just glaze over because even if it's true (from my perspective) i dont even know if israel is a real place, i've never been there. It could all be a lie. Is that likely? No, of course not, chances are it IS a real place, but the fact of the matter still stays the same. How relevant is it to me? Not very. Humans dying is bad, but humans die constantly, all over the place, for tons of different reasons, war is unfortunately one of the worse ways to go out, but it's just one of the ways.

is israel doing/has done bad things over the conflict? Absolutely. I'm not going to say they didn't. Have hamas also probably done bad things? Probably. Can i confirm either on of those things? Nope. What can i do then? Simple, i can try to understand the intricacies of the situation as best as possible so that way i can have an informed and realistic understanding of the situation. Does that mean war is suddenly good? No, obviously not, is it more productive and better than simply stating "war bad, stop doing war" Probably.

There are a lot of people defending israel in this because hamas is "a terrorist group" and "want to kill all jews" Is any of that true? No clue, and frankly i don't really give a shit. There are a lot of people defending palestine because "they're the small guy" "they're being oppressed" "israel is a militaristic ruler" etc, etc. etc.. I could go on for hours honestly. Again, do i care? Not really. There is a lot of contradictory, conflicting (both true and untrue) information on both sides. It's not a simple conflict, there is no simple resolution.

Whats the ideal outcome? Israel and palestine co-exist peacefully, simultaneously somehow. Anything other than that is messy and bound to let the same thing happen again in the future.

It’s 10k civilian deaths vs 500 civilian deaths. May be time to stop the massacre?

what does this statement mean? I dont know. The way i look at it is that 15000 people have died, and there are people out here who think the single most important factor in this whole conflict is "but, more people on this side, have died than on this side" that's terrible, did we ever stop for a second to consider that maybe war is just bad. There is no good outcome here, people die no matter what happens, the best thing we can do is to PREVENT war. Not wait for it to happen. To me it really seems like nobody cares about the actual people dying, or all the bad things happening, it seems like people care about which side deserves it, and which side unfairly procured it. Which like i've said multiple times, is a very interesting discussion. We're talking about war, not about the history, logistics, and complications behind it. We should be talking about what is happening, rather than what we care about is happening.

We're sitting here justifying the single worst human invention, in the name of posterity and justice. Rather than actually just taking the problem at face value, and seeing it for what it is, people killing each other, because we can't get along. That's the true problem here.

(wall of text ik, i just have a lot of thoughts about a lot of things, and not enough time to write them down.)

Neither is kosher.