Tram expensive. I'd rather make my city pay 10x more on road infrastructure and maintenance and then have to buy a car, gas and insurance myself to be able to move.

I am glad you brought on some very common talking points, I will gladly explain to you what is my (and presumably the community's) answer to them:

1. This is true, a one-day zero-to-100% ban on cars is probably not feasible, as many nations have parts of their economies based on people being moved by cars (even though the pandemic and remote working showed us that A LOT of those people actually do a job that requires them to commute waaay less than we thought, but this is another story). This is somewhat of a silly point though: people also used to have slaves, hell, we used to run our entire economies on slaves. That did not stop us from seeing that was not a good thing and change that over time. Total ban of cars tomorrow? Sounds cool but not really achievable. Promoting public transit? Restricting car traffic in area where cars clearly don't belong? Making it an easier time for who wants to walk or use a bike? Hell yeah.

2. Public transit is overall massively cheaper than cars, for everyone. Just think about it: the cost of a car society is the cost of car infrastructure (you pay it with your taxes) plus the cost of your car, your insurance, the gas (which is actually "cheap" in the US because it is subsidized with taxes so again, you pay that), the maintenance (these costs are unloaded directly on you). In London, which has one of the most expensive fares around the world, owning a car ends up costing on average double what you would pay to use transit daily. My city has a €250 (~$300)/year transit pass. Everything included, as many rides as you want, to wherever you want. I use it to commute daily and hang out. We happen to have a car in my family, but we have the priviledge of rarely having to use it.

3. True, in fact we advocate for better public transit in the first place. As you said, there is an insanely vaste amount of places in the world that actually do transit great: most european cities have very good transit, but also a lot of US cities (NY, SF, Chicago, etc)

4. No, you clearly can't cross state borders with a tram, because that would probably be called a train. In europe you can take high speed trains that go over 200mph and cross entire countries in way shorter times than taking a car (a lot to improve in the future, especially interoperability, dont get me wrong, its far from perfect). Same goes for Japan, and China (but their trains are also faster, and more interconnected as, obviously, it is one country). Transit allows you to go where lines have been built, and for most places around the world that is basically everywhere you could possibly ever want to go. Cars allow you to go where your state has built a road for you.

5. It has been long since I've taken a service that didn't have heating/air conditioning. I do listen to my music when I commute, I can actually also read or browse feddit, watch a video or study, while the bus/tram driver drives for me. I will give you the point on occupancy, but hum, unless you hate people I don't see a problem in that. Edit: In several years of taking metros/buses/trams it only happened more or less 5 times to find an "annoying" person on my same ride. Meanwhile, I assure you that almost EVERY time you drive here you are granted: i) a honk for no reason ii) someone not resoecting the right of way. It is faaar more probable to go this close to a car crash than to find an "annoying" person on transit, at least from my experience.

6. I also control my transit schedule to the minute. Despite my city's transit having one of the worst looking apps made by humans, I can actually check live-time where the bus or tram i need is and when it will be at the stop (and when its main lines i dont even need to because there is one every 5-7 minutes). You know what i hate instead? Getting stuck in traffic. That really has to be a pain for those 15 cars clogging the two car lanes (one is actually blocked by illegally parked cars), while me and other 50 homies fly by them on the bus-only lane. Also, on the same commute, I had to always add an additional 30 minutes ahead of leaving to account for traffic, making the gains against a bus virtually nothing. But of course you can only make this point if your city is well-served by transit lines.

7. I don't either, I don't think anyone cares about those few people, this community is really about the other 99,9% of motorists.

8. I don't get what you mean with "share". I have not in my entire life in any country of this world seen a seat for two people. What? You mean to seats next to each other? Because that's... Two seats. There is not really much sharing in it. Need further explaination.

This community is called fuck cars but is really actually about wanting cities designed for people rather than cars (which is how human settlements have been made for basically thousands of years except the last decades). Well shit i made a wot but thats my take, to put it shortly

Point 9 makes sense.

Number 9 is my favorite.

I wonder if there's a middle ground most would like. Where I live our suburbs have a train pass by them so we can ride to the city after a bike ride or short car trip. It seems ideal, actually.

It amazed me how I had a blind spot for the elderly and disabled (saw a few blind), who might find our car-centric transport either prohibitively expensive or exclusionary.

yeah, point 8 hits the nail on the head.
lots of people just dont like to share.

gluttony is one of the well known 7 virtues. /s

It’s too late. You have already put the noose around your neck.

I like swiping to upvote in Voyager/Wefwef, but I do end up downvoting by accident from time to time, before I fix it.

Wait I thought fuckcars was the more shitposty/memey community? Reddit had r/notjustbikes which had more serious discussions.

Yeah. A common argument against bike lanes in my city is that "nobody bikes", and people don't understand that nobody bikes because we have to bike alongside their murder boxes.

Some people argue that there's too many bikes lanes, so I'd say it's quite good haha! There's also some amazing mountain bike trails in Scotland so there's something for everyone, bikewise.