2y ago

New Sidebar Rule:

We've had to create a new sidebar rule, we won't be enacting it retroactively because that just doesn't seem fair, but going forward:

Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.

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IDK, if this community has any hope of being anywhere near as comprehensive in coverage as the News Subreddits were its going to take some superusers.
- If you think that 19 is a lot of news articles for the whole planet in a single day, enough that it counts as spam, then my friend have I got news for you :-(
- if this community has any hope of being anywhere near as comprehensive in coverage as the News Subreddits
  I left Reddit on purpose.
  I would rather have quality than volume.
  I would rather my news feed be diverse than dominated by one or two self-appointed influencers of discourse. (Even if they have good intentions.)
  I approve of this rule. Ten articles per person each day is more than enough at this stage, and the threshold for "too much" can always be adjusted as the community grows.
  
  The only reason they might dominate is because they do the posting. Anyone can make a post, if other people aren’t posting it seems silly to penalize the ones who are, spam excluded.
- I get why these mods didn't like that users posts but this is such a dumb way to to put in a prevention rule. Especially when they even admit it wasn't spam.
  Why artificially limit how much people can interact to get traffic to a community?
  
  Just like if you saw the front page filled only with articles from the same source, seeing the front page filled with posts by the same username gives the impression that someone is pushing an agenda.
  I mentioned this myself in a post I made regarding Myanmar, I have a personal angle on that and if it seems like I yammer on too much about Myanmar, feel free to tell me to shut up. :)
- This community censors Al Jazeera posts by calling them "duplicates" and leaves up the least anti-Israel post.
  I highly doubt it cares about being comprehensive in coverage
It's also really obvious when they're all from the same news source or very closely related ones.
I only post a couple a day at most, but I also try to vary the news sources I'm using, so I'm not just promoting one news organization's stance.
- Even alternating sources, it's still a reflection of that users opinion of what they feel is important and needs promotion... So, yeah. 19 is a bit much.
19 articles still seems like reasonable usage to me. Spam or abuse would probably be a bit higher than that and likely include off topic and duplicate links.
- That was the question I put to the other mods... "Heyyy... we don't exactly have a rule for this, 19 seems like a lot..."
  We collectively decided on 10, but this is all new, it might change!
  The prime focus is making sure no single user dominates the front page. How big the "front page" is varies by app though.
- Posting a shit ton of full text news articles is gonna get the instance DCMA’d
  
  What is the difference between one person doing it 20 times and 20 different people doing it once?
I like this change. Quality over quantity.
I dunno. I personally have no problem with someone just copying what's posted on Reddit here.
At least until there's more engagement.
- LOL Microwave DOES post a bunch, but not to the point where we get reports on it. Not to where we look at the front page and see:
  (username)
  (username)
  (username)
  (username)
  (username)
  (username)
  (username)
  (username)
- Pretty sure they mean nekandro.
Posting full articles is probably not great, but the number of posts per time unit probably shouldn't be limited unless it's causing a technical issue. It's news content. That's why we're subscribed.
Maybe poster is out of work right now, following the news closely, posting what seems important. Surely 10-100 important news items happen each day.
In my opinion the volume of posts isn't the problem, but copy pasting full text from a site is the issue.
- Copy/pasting the full text of an article breaks the rules at the lemmy.world level, that's already been accounted for in the Sidebar rules.
Is this about that account called "nonaturalgas" or something? Anyway somehow that one always felt off . So good job.
Correction: it's name was naturalgasbad and he was also banned. Some other poster stated he posted several pro China articles a day.
- No, they only posted twice that I'm aware of.
  This one isn't about the quality of the links, the links themselves appear to be fine, it's just the sheer volume.
  To give you some idea, I moderate some smaller communities and I personally feel like I'm dominating the conversation if I post more than 3 links in a day...
  Roll over to World News and I see 19... 🙄
- They told me they were banned because they kept citing the Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart and the mods here preferred the Media Bias Fact Check ratings.
  Please don't assume their gender. This is basic etiquette.
  
  They were banned because after they were banned for abusing the report feature, they continued arguing with me through a series of PMs when they were told to stop arguing with a mod, repeatedly.
  The ban increased from 3 days for abusing reports, to 7 days for arguing, then 30 for not stopping, then finally a permaban.
  They were warned and given every opportunity to stop.
Let's see if we can make this place better.
- "Heroes are not giant statues framed against a red sky, they are people who say 'this is my community and it's my responsibility to make it better.'" - Tom McCall - Oregon Governor 1967 to 1975.
- Welcome!
Are you sure it wasn't a bot?
- It didn't look like a bot, and it wasn't technically spam.
- It stemmed from a user being reported for over-posting and I brought it up to the rest of the mod team going "You know, technically we don't have a rule that covers this, what do you all think?"
  I wasn't going to make a unilateral decision, brought it to the group, and yeah, we decided 19 posts back to back to back was a little too much.
- Removed under rule 3, keep it civil.
- Coming from the Nazi.
  Edit: And your alt account.
  https://kbin.social/m/pics@monyet.cc/t/726060/Little-piggy
- Let's say, for the sake of argument, the person taking over the front page was some tankie from hexbear, post after post of "Communism good, Democrats are Right Wing" etc. etc. etc.
  The articles posted may be from a variety of sources, but their selection by the same person represents a singular point of view.
  A community serving 33,000 members shouldn't fall victim to a singular point of view.
  Or, in lighter terms "Hey, give somebody else the chance to post..."
  
  Hey, give somebody else the chance to post
  They do have a chance. 🤷‍♂️
  But I hear you on the point-of-view argument. 👍

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