Video of Palestinians stripped, forced to sit outside by IDF soldiers raises ire
Video of Palestinians stripped, forced to sit outside by IDF soldiers raises ire
"Start Here" spoke with ABC’s Foreign Correspondent James Longman about the video released Thursday that has raised concerns.
I wonder if it'll get to a point where some of the world leaders still backing Israel financially and with munitions actually have to do something. Like, is there any amount of cruelty and atrocity at this point that they won't fund? Does it literally have to get all the way to concentration camps? Overt industrialized systematic genocide? Where's their line?
The line is where the people in their own countries force them to stop supporting Israel while atrocities continue. This is why speaking up, in your communities, on social media, by joining protests and by boycotting companies that support the IDF, is so important. People outside Israel can not make the IDF stop. But we can pressure our governments to deny any further support for Israel or better yet sanction key players, to pressure Israel into stopping.
Where's their line?
Based on WW2:
- Cruelty and atrocity: nice...
- Concentration camps: nothing to see here, everyone has them
- Systematic genocide: who hasn't done some genociding at one point or another?
- Overt industrialized systematic genocide: ...only if they attack you first.
Luckily we now have the Universal Declaration of Human Rights... which everyone is ignoring. Oh well, we tried.
This is a direct consequence of two things: Hamas not wearing uniforms in combat and their tendency to use suicide bombers. They are told to undress themselves before processing - they don't stay that way.
How would any of the people criticizing this deal with a large group of fighting age men in a war zone?
you do realize that people once they are detained and checked for weapons cannot magically conjure weapons into their trousers?
there is no need to keep the people undressed. it is purely for humiliation.
No, it's based on safety. You can't give them their own clothing back, because this would require you to check each and every item of clothing for weapons. They are being transported to a processing location, given clothing there. Temperatures were around 20° C (68° F) there when these videos and photos were taken, so it's not like they were freezing.
You may not want to "check for weapons" a suicide bomber who's just waiting for you to come close to turn you both into tiny chunks of meat.
What you want, is to threaten them with a weapon from a distance, have them take off any clothes that could contain explosives (that includes socks and briefs), and throw them far away from you. They could still hide some C4 up their ass, but that's a risk you might have to take.
The correct thing would be to subsequently provide them with pre-checked clothes, like an orange jumpsuit... so if they didn't, that's where we may agree it starts being abusive (although unfortunately in line with what many countries routinely do to their prisoners).
stripped them down into their unmentionables in the blistering cold, which is inhumane if you ask me.
About 20⁰C in the shade and they were sitting down in the sunlight.
your own picture shows 16°C and the days in question had 13-15°C in the morning and evening.
If you sit idle without clothes for hours even in 17°C you will get cold as fuck. If it would have been 5°C this could have caused serious medical issues. If it would have been freezing, some of them could have reached life threatening hypothermia.
The term is perfectly viable in the context.
your own picture shows 16°C
No, it shows 21⁰C. Why are you looking at the minimum temperature? That is totally irrelevant.
You can see from the photo that it is the middle of a winter's day (sun is slightly lowered in the sky in winter at midday, not directly overhead).
On Thursday, a video emerged of men rounded up, forced to stand in formation, and then to sit down in the street
So let's get even more accurate. That particular Thursday it was 22⁰C in the shade. Perfect temperature to be sitting out in the sun comfortably as it happens.
There were dreadful bombings earlier and yet you want us to focus on this non-story.
If it would have been 5°C this could ave caused serious medical issues. it would have been freezing, some of them could have reached life threatening hypothermia.
If it would have been hailing they could have been knocked unconscious.
If there was a hurricane they could have been dashed against the concrete walls.
If there was a meteorite they could have been pulverised.
If they didn't have dicks they could have been women.
If they were 5 years old they would have been children.
If they had long necks and four legs they could have been giraffes.
Thanks for the fact check.
... and fear amongst Hamas members
Bootlicker
This was far down in the story therefore many of you may have missed it...
We do know that some of these men were released after having been detained initially. One of Hani's cousins was released after a couple of hours in detention. So it may be that many of these men that we've seen in these videos have since been released by Israel...
This is northern Gaza we're talking about. They were given an evacuation order, and it might be that the Israelis feel anyone who remains poses a threat because they didn't leave.
Evacuation order is quite a weak argument,given that Israep heavily bombards the areas people are told to evacuate to as well as target people moving south on the designated "safe" routes. And even after that, all there is left in southern Gaza are overcrowded tent cities.
It is pervectly human to want to stay in your home if the alternatives arent any safet.
Israel heavily bombards the areas people are told to evacuate to as well
You got evidence of that? I don't trust the ruling party of Israel but I have yet to see evidence of this. Find it and you will see me reproducing it in these forums to shame the IDF.
Israel never promised that the safe zones would not be bombed. These zones were meant to protect civilians from the bulk of the ground fighting. Nothing more, nothing less. Hamas is still present in these "safe" zones, they are fighting rockets from there, keeping hostages and their commanders in these places.
Israel did not target people moving South. Hamas themselves have blown up and shot people trying to flee in order to prevent their "human shields" from leaving. Conveniently, they then blamed Israel, even though we have an IED that looks nothing like an Israeli bomb on video.
It is true that fleeing your home is never easy and that the conditions in the South are terrible, but being poor and alive in a tent is still better than being with your possessions in your home (but dead) in the North.
And it is perfectly sensible to vet those who remained if the alternative isn't safe for the soldiers trying to root out Hamas.
Not that I think rooting them out is a realistic goal without depopulating all of Gaza which unfortunately looks like the plan.
it seems that they have gone from house to house, apartment to apartment and arrested all of the men who remain.
We just happened to see that video and then: Oh, crap. This is my brother; this is my nephew.
Is the journalist seriously implying this was unnecessary because the IDF could root out Hamas by just asking family members?
