PSA: while upvoting exists, to get the "move closer to the top" effect that reddit's upvote had, you need to click boost
a small difference, but important to how people use the site
@tryplot oh for real? I had no idea. My brain said “looks like Reddit upvotes, must work the same way”. The up/downvote buttons are placed prominently in a way that suggests they are impactful, whereas boost is just kinda tertiary / seems less important.
Agreed, location of voting and boost should be swapped, at least until voting means something.
They were swapped before, and were recently changed to this for Lemmy compatibility, but things like the algorithm and reputation counting haven't been updated yet.
What does the upvote/downvote do, could someone kindly explain?
Of course, allow me to illuminate for you what it actually does: Nothing.
Edit: Wow thanks so much for the upvotes everyone that's really productive! Hahaha
Upvoted.
The upvote button does nothing, but the downvote button subtracts reputation.
As it stands now the upvote works as a favorite or like, downvote lowers reputation, boost raises reputation. It's a bit confusing and there's an open ticket on this. I'm not sure if all old actions will carry over or when the operations change it'll get reset.
Is this a UI issue or a fundamental flaw of the Fediverse? In other words, is this only confusing because of how the UI and thread display logic respond to the data they’re getting? Is this just an issue of how the comments thread is ordered, and the fact that it isn’t what the user would expect? (I only ask because I’m curious and want to know how this place works)
To the best of my knowledge, this is a temporary kbin-specific thing. Pretty sure I saw Ernest mention there is a change in the works with the next update... in fact: https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/116811/PSA-every-interaction-you-make-with-various-posts-on-kbin#entry-comment-462816
As Bluskale mentions it's a Kbin UI thing but it will be changing in the future.
if it works as a favorite where do you go to see your favorited content?
If you look to the hamburger icon in the top right of the screen next to your username that's the channel selector. Favorites is the third one down in the list.
that is currently the situation due to boost and favorite being switched to make kbin more compatible with lemmy, but post and user reputation are currently still counting boosts.
What's the difference between upvoting and boosting?
Upvote is akin to "favorite" on ActivityPub, Boost is akin to reblog on ActivityPub.
That's one thing I don't like about kbin. I'm used to upvotes and downvotes and trying to be Reddit and Twitter at the same time just doesn't work. I think we should leave microblogging to Mastodon and concentrate on link aggregation.
Makes just about as much sense as communities being called "Magazines" and threads being called "Articles". There is a lot to like about Kbin but also a lot that boggles my mind.
This isn't the case though? Upvotes (aka favourites everywhere else) are what affect the "algorithm" the functionality thats broken is Karma tracking.
I think actually it's both.
I think Hot and Top are sorted according to upvotes + boosts (weighted x2) less downvotes. I think the plan is reputation will work the same way (once it gets fixed).
...but reading this thread I wonder if that needs a rethink - people seem to boost rather more liberally than expected/intend in order to game this algorithm.
It was thought/expected that, since boosts effectively retweet the comment, they would be used quite sparingly - this is why they have a relatively high significance.
We could probably do with some clarity on all of this because this line of discussion has been repeated many times and there is quite a lot of hearsay and misinformation being parroted. @Ernest ?
...but reading this thread I wonder if that needs a rethink - people seem to boost rather more liberally than expected/intend in order to game this algorithm.
I think it's because of all of the posts that say "boosts are upvotes", and people are just confused, so they use the boost button alongside the upvote button. Once this gets fixed, the amount of boosts will probably go down
But also keep in mind, anyone can look at your profile and see what you have boosted.
So there's a privacy issue with boosting threads/comments.
For example, https://kbin.social/u/tryplot/boosts
I can see you boosted a thread about Biden and Assisted Deaths
everyone can see your likes too! it’s important to how activitypub works for all that to be public
tap more, activity to see the likes on pretty much anything on kbin
Where votes are labeled “favourites” :)
In a way I like that this is all openly public vs just the devs and admins being able to see it. Either way somebody was going to pay attention but now it’s obvious to users.
Boosting is like retweeting, it doesn't make sense for it to be private.
Just so everyone's aware, upvotes and downvotes are also public, due to how federation works.
This isn't true. Posts and comments are sorted by upvotes, downvotes, and age. The place where wires got crossed with regard to upvotes and boosts is "reputation" on your profile. Boosts are supposed to be like retweets.
No, reputation on your profile is just bugged.
Upvotes are upvotes.
Stop spreading this please.
WTF is a boost button? Have never seen anything like that on here.
It's something on kbin, not on Lemmy. You're seeing this post coming over from the kbin website.
Horrible idea. No one sees this button, no one knows what it does, and upvotes definitely should have that effect.
Ernest is likely working on it
We talking P. Worrell or the developer guy?
But is he... earnestly working on it?
that would be disastrous, and just serve to make sure this platform ends up like reddit
Agreed. I upvoted AND boosted your comment for redundancy.
They're not redundant functions. They're... Mixed up on kbin right now, because things were originally built with the up button boosting content, but that's incongruent with how Lemmy does it, so it was changed.
But boosting isn't really about sorting at all. It's about republishing content, so that it can be sent out to instances that have started following a group after the content was originally posted.
Yea, i'm working on my own Fedi software and i'm struggling with the point of boosting in the link aggregator context. It's an odd overlap with Reddit-style reposting to appropriate subs, but based on the user.
It makes sense in the Twitter UX, but i struggle to find it's place in the Reddit UX.
I think boosts have potential to be used for crossposts, and the current implementation are just crossposts to your profile. Though they're likely here right now just because Kbin is a mix between thread and microblog software
Boosting is super important in all contexts in the Fediverse.
When am instance subscribes to a content source - be that a user actor or a group actor - on behalf of a user, it only requests future content. Back catalogues are not fetched by default. Boosting re-publishes the content, so that it is received by new followers.
With a group actor, the boost triggers the actor to reboot the content itself, sending it out to new subscribers to the group, and filling in that back catalogue.
I see it as similar to the "save" function on Reddit, except it's public. I've started using it on things that I think I might like to read again later (and so by extension anyone who's "like me" would probably want to read it too).
Should they? It seems to me that we should have way, way more control over how we choose to sort things.
That should be one of the options, of course, but we can have so much more here.
"Boost" comes across as a bug, not a feature. People should have one vote, not two.
i disagree, it's a great functionality that people should learn.. and here's the simple point.. you can BOOST a comment you disagree with, so that your argument AGAINST the comment will get more visibility.. reddit is dysfunctional, and this mechanism can help fix one of the problems reddit cannot get rid of.. this mechanism can help discussion, and fight against things like brigading..
think about it a minute.. someone makes a really TERRIBLE point that you can dismantle easily.. tear it down, and BOOST the hell out of it.. reddit cannot accommodate that.. keeping those two functions separate is critical..
this will help keep every thread from becoming a popularity contest that is entirely predictable, once people figure it out
edit to add: i've only been using this platform for a few days.. but i promise you, it works the way it's supposed to.. try it out..
I second this. It should be a simpler UX
I literally do not see this boost button anywhere. I just spent 2 minutes mousing over every button around your comment and I cannot find it.
Boosting is only available on kbin