2y ago

Far-right German legislator arrested after 'Sieg Heil' salutes heard

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Nazi of Nazi Party doing Nazi things. Shocking.
- More and more people voting for thr Nazi parties because they do Nazi things...
  The "Freie Wähler" which is the Nazi party of Bavaria and probably will be part of the government got an increase in votes as a former teacher uncovered their leader to haven written political pamphlets demanding another holocaust and former class mates saying he made Hitler salutes and "jokes" about jews, when visiting a former concentration camp.
  Now the bavarian state attorneys are investigating the teacher for bringing up the Nazi history of that parties leader.
I wish this kind of law could spread to other countries. Especially in North America.
- BuT My FrEe SpEeCh???
  
  Yeah, no. This is a threat to free speech. Et shouldn't tolerate intolerance.
  
  Only Communism gets that treatment, fascism is the M.O.
- You mean mostly in the US? Canada does not have free speech, and anything inciting is illegal.
  
  Canada does have free speech. Intolerance isn't free speech. Fascism isn't free speech. It's a threat to free speech.
  
  Canada has free speech, just like Germany, the US or many other countries.
  Free speech does not mean you cannot ever be punished for anything you say. There is no country in the world where this would be the case.
  
  In the US you can't say certain things about your president. There is no complete and absolute free speech anywhere.
- So you can decide what's allowed to be said and what's not? What happens if it does come and all the old people in office flatout ban any mention of gayness and you get thrown in prison for it?
  
  First off, fuck you and your bad faith argument. Second, if I get thrown in jail for supporting gay rights, I'm fine with that, because I know I'm doing the right thing.
  
  There is this little thing called "human rights" that's at odds with someone doing something like that. Of course, if your legislation only recognises fReEdOm oF sPeEcH, and not so much the Universal Decaration of Human Rights, things like that can happen.
  
  There are laws on what you can say. Its not allowed to insult someone. And its not allowed to insult ethnicities. Basically the same like every other freedom right: it end where the freedom of another person starts. So no, it wouldn't be possible to ban any mention of gayness.
  On the other hand, laws don't fully protect you from this. The US has a very wide understanding of freedom of speech and at the same time has a 'don't say gay' bill.
  
  Wouldn't that mean that intolerance has won and there is no more free speech?
  I don't understand your argument.
  
  Actually, being a Nazi is a political choice and means being intolerant toward minorities. Meanwhile, being gay is not a political choice, it doesn't harm anyone, and if you were gay you can't "stop being gay" out of spite.
  These differences are fundamental.
  ... and I'm quoting/ paraphrasing some Antifa thinker whose name I have forgotten. Sorry Internet!
  
  That'd be unconstitutional.
  
  I saw this is euroloser sub. Goodbye I only am interested in America
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BERLIN, Oct 30 (Reuters) - A legislator with the far-right Alternative for Germany party was arrested on Monday on charges including displaying forbidden totalitarian symbols, with neighbours of his fraternity complaining of often hearing the Nazi "Sieg Heil" victory salute.
Newly elected Daniel Halemba, 22, was due to take up his seat in the Bavarian regional parliament later on Monday.
A national conversation that is increasingly dominated by discussion of migration has helped the AfD to a series of strong electoral showings far beyond its old heartlands in the post-industrial East, with voters seemingly unperturbed by its rightward drift.
The party and its youth wing are under observation in several states, with prominent figures like lead European Parliament candidate Maximilian Krah comparing immigration to colonialism and stating that "oriental landgrabs" lead to "sexual abuse of European girls".
Halemba, who joined the fraternity as a law student in Wuerzburg, has named Bjoern Hoecke, leader of the AfD's far-right wing, as his political role model.
Germany's fraternities, many of which date back to the country's first unification in the 19th century, are notorious for their conservative, often nationalistic philosophy.
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