400 people killed in a single day by Israeli attacks in Gaza

If you want to do something get out on the streets. South African apartheid fell with the help of international pressure.

Also you can boycott israeli goods.

https://bdsmovement.net

Don't know about the USA, but here in Europe and in Arab/Muslim countries, lots and lots of people are out on the street, multiple times a week.
I do agree that this is the best strategy, but I just don't think we have enough of the population on our side.
Too many westerners value Jewish Israeli life more than that of a Palestinian.
In my country (Netherlands), Israeli bombings literally killed one of our citizens, after Israel had refused them exit out of Gaza. And our PM is silent.
Meanwhile, our government gave citizenship through a dubious legal procedure to an Israeli hostage who has a Dutch grandfather in order to give that boy a dual nationality.
We do not have equality in our country. Muslims are worth less than Jews here.
- Israel intentionally bombed a US ship and killed 34 sailors. Instead of doing something about it we helped them cover it up. It's fucking crazy how much we let them get away with.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfla1
The BDSMovement has a great acronym

Do Hamas claims require independent confirmation, or only Israeli ones?

Blindly accepting the claims of a terrorist organization is the new norm apparently.
- Of Israel?
- You're right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate.
Excellent point. I propose a cease fire so international observers can enter Gaza to verify these claims.
Downplaying the casualties is straight out of the holocaust denial playbook
https://www.museumoftolerance.com/education/teacher-resources/holocaust-resources/what-is-holocaust-denial.html#4
- Did they downplay anything though?
Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won't have a clear picture of what's going on for a long time.
Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn't understand propaganda in war. I don't think that's most people, though.
- We've known that Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonial project since 1949 - I'd say seventy plus years qualifies as "a long time" in this regard.

If Israel wanted to end this they could. They'd get their hostages back and they'd get to mourn their dead.

Instead they immediately moved to starve millions of people to spite, what Wikipedia claims is (ie. a likely exaggerated) 20,000 Hamas members, of which Israel can only count one to be officially killed by their actions so far.

They're now talking of a "final solution" for the "palestine problem". Half are already homeless, trapped beside the border crossings that israel bombs if not to their liking. How long until Israel is either allowed to enact their "final solution" or instigates a regional conflict between countries trying to prevent that?

- Real estate. Gaza is full of prime beachfront property. What exactly do you think the object of ethnic cleansing is?
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-20/ty-article-opinion/.premium/a-brief-history-of-the-netanyahu-hamas-alliance/0000018b-47d9-d242-abef-57ff1be90000
- land?
- This is so fucking moronic is makes my head hurt.
  The more I'm on the internet, the more I notice comments that start off like this are usually wrong and the poster is insecure.
- To drive Palestinians further off the small amount of land allotted to them?
  Same shit they've been doing with their settlements, but at a quicker pace this time.
  Best be quiet when adults are speaking
Hamas could end the suffering if they cared about Palestinians, by surrendering.
- Hope the millions who will die in the following days make you feel fulfilled that you chose this mindset. History will not absolve you.

As a father of a soon-to-be-4-year-old, that picture tears me up inside. I can't fathom losing my son, especially not in this way. That goes for both sides of this fucking terrible thing.

Children. Are. Not. Acceptable. Collateral. Damage.

This is the exact intention of this picture though. Hamas is notorious for staging photos and videos like this. You shouldn't trust terrorists.
- Remove all context from that photo. That's what I see. Whether staged or not, children on both sides are experiencing these things. Once you become a parent, providing you wanted to be one intentionally, you see all children, not just your own, as innocence and any perception of grief for the loss of that child as personally identifiable and deeply felt. We, as a species and society, have lost our humanity if we look at a picture like that, no matter the context, and don't immediately feel sadness for the known innocence lost.
  I say this unironically, but I pity you.
- Like if there's any doubt that children are among the victims of Israel im this very momemt. Some people have no shame.
- You shouldn't trust terrorists.
  You're right. No one should trust the IDF. War crime after war crime. They're the worst plague on the planet since Isis, but actually have the backing of major world powers because they got their guys to weasel into the top of every nation's government.
  Anyone speaking out against their narrative, from the UN to newspapers are being cancelled.
  These are Gazans. They're not trained Hollywood actors dude. Look at the grief on their faces. That's REAL. If it's not real in this picture (for whatever reason), it's real in thousands more. The stats alone show how many people have had to hold their dead children in their arms like this.
  It's disgusting. It's Genocide. No people who suffered at the hands of Nazis in WWII, should ever perpetrate this kind of hell on someone else. Israel has forgotten everything. Their ancestors would be ashamed.
- Yeah... let's trust these people instead.

This isn't a fucking game where you take turns.
Retaliatory actions that prevent the next attack ARE self defense.
"Once the attck is over" - gtfo of here with that shit. Like you can actually say, "Oh, they pressed pause. Let's all go back home until they unpause"
Yes a nation has the right to defend itself
Yes, let's pretend a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project has the right to "defend" itself from the people it has actively sought to exterminate since 1949.

according to ~~Palestinian health officials~~ Hamas.

ftfy

Are you copy/pasting the same comment, I am pretty sure I saw pretty much the same comment under another thread.
You should really change your repertoire otherwise people would start suspecting you are a bot.
- This guy could probably work for the ministry of foreign affairs, if he wasn't an employee already.
Well here is the UN saying that Israel are in clear breech of international law.But maybe the UN chief is a member of hamas as well.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67201465
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Idk does these dead bodies look real too you?
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6/10 - like the drama you put into it but I think overall there is not enough Iam14AndThisIsDeep.
- Yeah, seems like the kind of thing that would be upvoted way more on reddit.
There is no hell, and that is the problem; those fighting believe in it.
- As a Jew, I'd like you to know we don't have the concept of hell.
  The afterlife is pretty simple, if you lived as a good Jew (they aren't) you live with God. If you live as a bad Jew, you live without God. That's really about it.
- This isn't a religious war. Even Hamas rewrote their charter in 2017 to specify that their resistance is against the Israeli state and not Judaism, and ended their relationship with the muslim brotherhood.
  Sure many are religious and fundamentalists, but the majority Palestinian resistance is resisting because of colonialism and apartheid, not because a cleric has demanded it holy to do so.

Did Israel catch up to killing innocent people like Hamas did yet?

*Guess Isreal is winning while the innocent loose

They've been ahead for years.
A long, long time ago, fascist.
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According to hamas, basically.

If only Saudi Arabia didn't want a civilian nuclear program.

What am I talking about? Saudi Arabia was about to sign a defense agreement with the United States that would have allowed them to have a civilian nuclear program and enter into a defense pact with the United States. The only condition placed on Saudi Arabia was that they had to normalize relations with Israel. Iran didn't like this, because they're biggest competitor in the region was Saudi Arabia. If only there was a way to keep Saudi Arabia from normalizing relations with Israel. I wonder what Iran could have done to prevent that...

Convenient coincidence, but Qatar has been shoveling money towards Hamas for years

If there was only some way the world could have predicted that a genocidal white supremacist colonialist state would act like a genocidal white supremacist colonialist state.