Is there a federation issue with lemmy.world?
I've noticed today that world@lemmy.world hasn't had any new posts or comments for about a day now.
However when I go to https://lemmy.world/c/world in the browser there's way more activity.
The post when on feddit.uk https://feddit.uk/post/2700378
Same post when on Lemmy.world https://lemmy.world/post/5717372?scrollToComments=true
Yes it looks like we were defederated for lack of admin activity.
Links:
Yeah I thought this might be the case. It's possibly a little pre-emptive unless there's a bunch of feddit.uk users who are causing trouble and it's just easier for them to do this, but it's a bit shit that we all lose access to one of the biggest instances because they can't reach our admin? They mention there's other instances too, I wonder which those are.
I had noticed that Tom has been very quiet recently, we could definitely see if he'd be open to allowing more admins when he's next around.
As far as I'm aware there haven't been any major trolling incidents (unlike some recent additions to that list) and it seems to be largely down to having a single, currently inactive Admin.
It has been raised with @Tom@feddit.uk before but, obviously, this has become a bit more serious and urgent. I'll do what I can to contact him.
he's been quiet for the last 2 months, no response to any messages i sent :(
i hope nothing serious happened
This is a real shame, I like our little community here, but without lw content it is too small to be sustainable, in my opinion. Also factor in that there is no active admin, then this may be the end.
It's not over until it's over, I'm not out of tricks yet but it is amazing how much stroke L.W have - defederate somewhere and you kinda kill it off.
Thanks for confirming.
The "bus factor" is the minimum number of team members that have to suddenly disappear from a project before the project stalls due to lack of knowledgeable or competent personnel.
I guess our bus factor is currently 1.
So first priority is getting a list of admins so Tom can scoop them up on his King Arthur-like return. Or they can lead the exodus like Moses (other mythological analogies may apply):
Anyone else?
edit:
I might be able to help out a wee bit. I have worked with servers before. I cannot make any commitments, though, and won't be able to be fully responsible for any community type business -only technical
That's great. I've added you to the list. There are enough volunteers that no one individual should have too much to do.
pls come back @tom we need you, even to just delegate the admin over to any one of us. we can sort it out somehow.
Oh, bollox! I hope this can get sorted out soon. I really like it here, so much nicer than Reddit. Plus I got to moderate a community!! Thanks @Emperor@feddit.uk. I'd like to carry on doing that.
TOM!!
We'll get it sorted one way or another.
Instances blocked by lemmy.world include:
and now
Well... hmm.
I know some people don't care for the British but still.
Your instance is in their blocked instances.
You're right... The fuck? I don't see anything on the announcements community about it?
Edit: I think world has blocked instances in the past where the admins are non-responsive, it happened with feddit.nl not too long ago, so this could be the reason why.
I'll look into this in a bit.
Oh really, for no apparent reason?
I'm 100% on board with instances blocking who they like, but I really think it should be more transparent than that. If we're blocked, we should at least get a message that we're blocked when trying to post...
Yeah, their list is quite long. So long that I almost missed seeing yours on there.
I think we should give this a week and then make plans to create a new instance. I've already created an account somewhere else, but I am quite fond of this instance.
I also like what I have seen in this instance and it'd be a shame to be forced to leave it. It also worries me a bit how dependent we are on individuals in some fediverse communities. I actually first migrated to kbin from reddit, but many of the communities/magazines ended up overwhelmed with spam or completely dead due to sole inactive moderators.
Yes, that single point of failure is one we have to address when Tom returns or we start a new instance. Short term getting a team of admins in place is critical, then we need to make sure the finances are solid so it can keep running as long as there's interest in it.
That's actually why I moved from Kbin over to Lemmy, It seemed much more healthy and thriving platform. That said, I've noticed (on feddit specific) that an awful lot of the content is coming through the same 11-15 people. Great effort on their part to grow the community, but I'm it sure how sustainable that is in the long run.
This explains why all my obviously incredible content has been failing to hit....
In all seriousness, what's the move here if Tom doesn't get back to us?
There are issues with several instances, from what I can tell. And they're causing issues with moderation.
I won't elaborate much more, as I still haven't heard back from Tom.
But if they're not resolved soon, we're going to eventually have a big problem.
Well this is a blow, as a Lemmy.world user I had no idea this had happened. Activity suddenly dried up and I assumed everyone had just given up on UK Lemmy. This is the first real issue I’ve had with defederation, and it’s not great that it happened so silently.
What is the plan if or UK lemmings going forward if the Feddit UK admin remains “absent”? World is the biggest Lemmy instance so it would seem a major loss to loose access to them.
I've already created an alternative account on a different instance just to see world posts and comments.
Have we been refederated? Just seen a recent post on a lemmy.world community and it looks to be up to date:
I think you're right. I see up to date posts and comments. I could vote and comment on posts, and I can see my comment when I'm not logged in.
Yep - you can check here - https://lemmy.world/instances - we're no longer in the blocked list.
If Tom doesn't sort this soon this is likely the deathknell of this instance.
Yup. We might want to start thinking of setting up a new instance with multiple admins and try and migrate as many communities from here over to it as we can and keep the user base.
I'd offer to set one up but I don't have the time to set one up or maintain it.
Yeah, it's tricky to know when to pull the trigger as Tom may spring into action any time.
I think step one would be to rummage together a few people who would volunteer to Admin this instance if we can raise Tom, so he can slot them in if/when he reappears. That would mean we can get refederated and everything starts ticking along.
I've run my own website and know PHP/MySQL but Rust is something I've not looked into. However, updating and doing admin stuff might be relatively straightforward. I don't know. I'm also unreliable, so it couldn't just be me volunteering.
Are you knowledgeable enough to volunteer as an admin here? I imagine duties are light and if we can get a few people onboard it shouldn't be too bad
I think maybe the best action is to draw up plans for a new instance, in public on here.
That way, if Tom returns, the plans can be used to continue/help this instance.
If he doesn't, then eventually the plans can be used for a new instance.
It might be worth having a discord/mailing list or similar, not for the planning, but to give a location for discussions to happen if the instance vanished suddenly.
Yes, that's my concern. I'll take my best shot at contacting Tom now.