The Reality of Digital ID... But I'm afraid that this kind of crap will end up happening not only in the UK.
Here is a link to my other post where I expressed my thoughts much better, if you are interested you can take a look -- https://lemmy.world/post/37101088
Doesn't this already happen in China?
"At least I'm not in China", I mutter just as the force feeding tube is shoved down my throat and my wrist shackles are reattached to my ankle shackles.
Right now, both governments suck, but Americans are usually more rebellious than the average mainland Chinese, which has always been something I liked about the US. I mean you hear about all the protests in the US? Widespread protests like these NEVER happens in mainland China. My mother still tells me to shut to about my anti-PRC views even tho we're not there anymore, and now have citizenship in another country, and I'm never going there again. Like the whole mindset of people are different. I have 50% hopes that Americans can turn this around, I have like zero hope about PRC, it's doomed, and I've already mentally given up on it. My homehand is occupied by tyranny and a population that just absolutely apathetic about the situation and doesn't give a shit.
But that sounds like China
Since this is already the norm in China and works well, why not spread it around the world where it is possible?
Asset freezing happens without digital IDs. I’m not getting the connection.
Fear mongering
Digital IDs will make the freeze faster and spread it wider
This just makes it easier and essentially instantaneous
Many countries have digital IDs already and nothing like this is happening. Digital ID has nothing to do we censorship or freezing of bank accounts. Online Safety act was introduces without digital ID. I have a digital ID but I don't have to show it anywhere.
Yeah I don't understand the big deal.
We've been using digital ID to identify ourselves to online government services in Australia since 2018.
Obviously I won't be using it to log in to facebook or mucky-jpegs.com but I don't really see it as a surveillance over-reach.
It's just group think. People don't like UK gov, UK gov proposed digital ID so digital ID is bad know. People keep posting this without giving it a second thought.
I don't really see it as a surveillance over-reach.
Just because you don't see it happening now, it doesn't mean it could not be used against people to persecute them, especially in fascist countries, where this would be a perfect tool for tracking people and mass surveillance.
Maybe if the world wasn't shifting to the fascism it would be a good thing. But in a fascist world, digital IDs will be used to persecute people.
Leas government surveillance is always a good thing in a fascist world.
Digital IDs are not used for surveillance. You can just as easily surveil people without them (check out Online Safety Act). Having them does not mean you have to use them all the time.
I think you're connecting digital IDs with people's online activity for some reason. In most countries, authorities can already connect online activity with an individual, since you register and pay for internet. Doing things that the powers that be don't like will get you in legal trouble. Remember the 2000s when the music industry sued individuals for millions? In China they take down your post if it challenges social cohesion, in the USA they take all of your money and assets for challenging corporate revenue.
Most digital IDs are options for people that already have their bank/credit card on their phone and don't want to carry a wallet just for ID. Some places like Estonia go further with actual asymmetric keys that let you sign documents with your ID's private key that proves you signed it.
Ok but imagine if you're under a fascist government like in America rn or a genocidal goverment like Israel
You say anything bad about Israel's actions? digital ID revoked at the literal click of a button, can't do anything You say anything bad about ICE? digital ID revoked at the literal click of a button, can't do anything
doesn't help that fascism is growing in lots of countries
You think they can't do that already? Naive...
Banks can and do jerk customers around for less than literal speech. The crypto community is full of stories from people who've had funds frozen or accounts closed for doing nothing worse than trying to legally ACH money into a vetted and regulated currency exchange. Banks think of your money as theirs, and tend to not like you moving it around too much.
I will not be participating when it does.
IMO, the meme works better without the bottom text.
One more reason why privacy online is so important.
If it is just ID but on the phone then it is a sensible idea with a couple of millions precautions to take care of. Case in point - Diia is fine if flawed realization of Digital ID and digital governance application. You just need to get through a dozen or so data leaks because we got our pentesting permanently outsourced to guys up east but aside from that - it is broadly fine.
But since we haven't actually been told what it will entail in the UK, we don't know.
Ideally it could be used in a privacy preserving manner, e.g. you can use it to prove you are 18 without revealing any other details.
It's being sold to us under the guise of "stopping illegal immigrants from being able to work", which I can tell you right now is not something any ID scheme will be good for because it's nearly all unregistered cash-in-hand jobs.
I find this kind of sentiment a bit funny, because we already have much worse
Credit scores are opaque ratings of people kept by private organisations used to refuse business to people effectively based on their spending & borrowing behaviour, many of these will now happily encourage you to link your accounts so they get itemised data from some people now too.
This could literally be happening today and they would just need to say "sorry your credit isn't good enough". Credit score factors into your ability to rent & buy accommodation in the UK already.
There's no reason for these companies to switch to using a government ID for these kinds of decisions because that would have to be a more transparent process and less easily used to their benefit.
FWIW, I'm against mandatory ID even though we effectively already have it in the form of national insurance. IMO the ID being digital should be a non issue as long as it's optional (there also needs to be a free physical version of any national identity for those without phones).
I support your opinion that something similar already exists, and I am also interested in why it is necessary to introduce a digital ID?
But you know, there was that old comedy where people handed over all their data and decision-making to an intelligent computer, and now we see AI, and eventually this nonsense is considered normal. See what I'm getting at?.. What seems crazy today may become normal after a while.
I don't think it's necessary, but I can see some of the reasons it might be introduced
Firstly digital IDs typically come with obvious convenience benefits for the user. E.g. apparently Gen Z doesn't really carry wallets, so this means they have a way of getting ID that's better for that way of doing things. They should also be harder to forge, so hopefully can help reduce fraud and identity theft.
I'd say from a government's perspective, a digital ID program is cheaper to run and allows them to speed up access to some government services. I'd say most of the opportunities for abuse from the government come from when the ID becomes a mandatory thing, then you might get voter suppression and limitations of access to public services
You can have your assets frozen due to a bad credit score..?
A bad credit score won't prevent me from buying groceries.
Yes credit scores are bullshit and the capitalist drive to maximize profit returns that leads to the application of credit scores to all sorts of things is a problem, but you're delusional if you think credit scores are WORSE than the potential to entirely freeze bank accounts due to political opinions.