ICEBlock Owner After Apple Removes App: ‘We Are Determined to Fight This’
ICEBlock Owner After Apple Removes App: ‘We Are Determined to Fight This’
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ICEBlock Owner After Apple Removes App: ‘We Are Determined to Fight This’
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Do you own an iPhone? Oh, hey, you helped ICE.
Yes, you did.
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Rebrand it with the same tech as something like "Friend Sightings!" It's not a 1A violation because Apple banned it, it is a 1A violation because the government made them ban it.
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You don't own your device.
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Wrong
“Ownership“ doesn’t mean “I can do whatever I want with it”.
edit: wow, Redditors are better at accepting the truth, lol
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It should
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"Ownership" totally does mean it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it.
That means you can do it, not that you should, nor that what you do won't have consequences.
It just means your phone won't stop you from downloading an unapproved app just like a gun won't stop you from loading an unapproved bullet.
It means your gun has a safety mechanism you can unlock to shoot, as does your phone to download "unverified" apps.
It means you can sell either freely to someone else without it becoming bricked or the new owner losing any rights (lookin' at you, Tesla cars).
It means defaulting on the loan will require the physical reposession of your phone or gun, and that neither will magically lock you out of using it using telemetry.
It means anyone with the right knowledge and tools can fix your phone and it'll work, just like your gun.
It means your phone works for you, and not for someone else - just like your gun.
Your phone is a tool. Just like your gun. It can be used for good - and for bad.
What you do with it is up to you, and not up to it or its manufacturer.
It means you can shoot people with your gun, just as you can extort and blackmail people with your phone. Nothing, other than your own morality, the morals of society and therule of law are preventing you from doing bad things. Certainly not the will of the manufacturer.
Any forensic inquiry into a phone on a crime scene would be like that of a gun.
Any taking of your phone from your home or person would require a warrant - like with a gun.
Any inquiry into your phone's contents and qualities should require outside tools - like a similar inquiry into your gun.
Your phone won't have a special police-only history of what you've used it for - like your gun.
Your phone won't report what you've been doing with it to 3rd parties without your consent - like won't your gun.
And so on.
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edit: wow, Redditors are better at accepting the truth, lol
So go pander to them.
If I own something, I can do whatever I like with it because it's mine.
If I can't do what I like, it's not truly mine.
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I love when newbie accounts think lemmy is reddit. Makes them easier to ignore.
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Truth post. You don't even have to enjoy the facts that you post. Lemmy is far too unhinged and emotional.
If you state any fact they don't like, you are downvoted.
I lovingly embrace any and all ironic downvotes I will get.
Seeth with me ❤️
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But that's what it means. Or at least, it used to
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This is what sideloading is supposed to prevent
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Brings new meaning to Google's decision to (effectively) block side loading on Android
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People are so stupid in this country. Do what the EU did and make it law that they have to offer sideloading and other app stores and payment methods.
It should be the law to begin with. This walled garden shit is really just another word for controlling what the user does with the device they purchased and not allowing them to do business with anybody else exclusively to add software without apple's approval and protection racket fee.
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Everything is about control. The internet was left open by accident for a while and they are working hard to "fix" it. They are just trying to be slightly less obvious about it than China was. All of the forced AI tools, required apps and stuff like that are just ways to move users away from the open web.
Once most users restrict their Internet usage to ONLY content provided by the large companies (for example, once people no longer click on any Google result), then Internet providers will start granting access to the content from large companies for free and charge a lot more for access to anything else.
In 10, maybe 20 years, we will be needing to tell our internet providers when we change jobs so that they may change which "custom" internet services we get to have access to specifically for work.
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It wouldn’t help.
In this case, even if the app was side-loadable and had a web app, that’s enough of a technical hurdle to kill its critical mass.
In other words, it doesn’t have to be banned; suppressing ICEBlock is basically enough to kill it.
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Arguably, if it was normal to sideload apps it wouldn't be as much of a barrier to users, but they've been conditionned to think they need an app and the only place you can ever get them is the store.
It's a technical hurdle only because Apple decided they want to control everything, and same on Android because of Google's ever increasing war on sideloading. You used to download an APK from the browser and it would go like "This is an app! Install?", but now you have to go enable third party installation and all that, and now the whole Play Protect forcing developer validation coming up.
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EU didn't do anything except lower the tax on developers from 30% to 27%. And they still require Apple's rubber stamp to install.
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With this and Google stopping side loading in Android, I’m going to be looking hard into Linux phones.
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Was there any reason to make this an ios app as opposed to a website hosted outside the US? I'm really not surprised by the removal. What did they expect? All the Tech CEOs came to the inauguration with bags of cash.
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The only reason I can think of is the cost. Apple makes the map API free if you use Apple Maps on Apple devices. If you are building a website, you have to pay for Mapbox or Google Maps, etc., that can get pricey for indie developers.
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Yeah good point. Plus if it's a website you can use it in private mode and not have evidence that you were helping people evade the gestapo all over your phone.
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Barrier to entry.
Many (dare I say most) folks don’t know how to use a web browser, much less find a web app. Installing an App Store app is much easier.
It’s also much lower visibility for those who do know.
And that’s especially critical for this app, which relies on tons of people using it.
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The creator is a dumdum
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Building an iOS app is faster and simpler than building a web app. The developer also said he took advantage of some privacy features in the iOS development kit that made it easy to keep people anonymous.
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But Apple still knows you downloaded and used the app. Apple collects plenty of data on iOS, and their "privacy" marketing only applies to third party apps downloaded from the App Store.
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Back in the aughts I was an apple fanboy. Later they no longer had the edge but I won't say it was completely not an option. Now it is completely not an option.
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Just in case, if you're (still) a Nintendo, Sony, Tesla, Disney, Spotify, ... fan, it's not too late to change your mind about them too :)
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We all believed they cared about privacy back then, I just never got one because side loading is essencial for me.
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We all believed? What?
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Lol. "we". No, I was never convinced. I'm sorry, but you might be far more gullible than you think you are.
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honestly I never liked smartphones. it was mostly about the freebsd based os, large with lots of power and ports (this was the aughts), and the apple care was amazing. Once that went away it just made sense to save money but now its like they could be the cheap option and like no. ewww. linux was not as great at that point to.
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Being constantly tracked is for the plebs, not the Elites or their enforcers.
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It’s still on my phone! Sorry Tim Apple!
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You supported Apple if your own their phone. You helped them do this.
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Still on mine as well. Why were folks slow to add this app?
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I didn’t know it existed.
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Some people are republicans? 🤷♂️
(I know, I can’t explain it either.)
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Pretty sure Tim Apple couldn't care less, he just has to appease the Tangerine in Chief.
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- boycott
- problem solved
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Yup. That would do it.
Apple fans gave up years ago, though. They don't want to give any effort. That's why you're being downvoted.
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ICEBlock was really poorly designed from what I understand.
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For people downvoting the above, read some criticisms the app such as:
https://micahflee.com/unfortunately-the-iceblock-app-is-activism-theater/
I don’t know of the take-down legit but the security of the app has been questioned, too.
Edit: The removal was bullshit. Apple should be pressured to put it back. But, the developer or someone else could do much better.
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IIRC it's also not open source, which for me is a big barrier to using it and trusting it at all (other than it being iOS-only).
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this is why having google sign all the apps that can go on your android is a really bad idea and why we criticize apple for being a closed walled garden. please trust the nerds over the corporations bro.