2w ago

Cyclist casualties down 28% and 900 fewer road injuries since 20mph limit introduced in Wales – but driving instructor still brands change a “total disaster”

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They are claiming it's dangerous to adhere to the legal limit because other drivers are doing double that.
- That's like the "We can't have gun regulation because criminals will ignore them, then they'll be the only ones with guns" argument, which is also bullshit.
"I've never seen the roads so dangerous in my 39-year career," says Stuart Walker.
"No one was doing under 30mph in the 20mph zones, which meant training people to drive became really dangerous."
Wut. Shouldn't he blame those speeding that make the road dangerous in the first place instead of the limit?
- They need to focus on people high/drunk or generally mentally senile to drive. 20mph limit is stupid in a lot of place around London, loads of room, pedestrians. Even city buses do 30-40 regularly, which what those roads used to be. It encourages people to doze off and fiddle with Phone, or to speed. Roundabouts, speed bumps etc. Make people actually slow down in residential areas, with cars parked both sides of road etc. Not a 20 sign government can whakc in some more fines for no good reason.
  
  Yeah, let's focus on the few high/drunk people and not all those self-proclaimed "great drivers" who can't even manage to follow the speed limit without playing with their phones.
  If people don't have enough self control to follow the speed limit without playing on their phone, they are not fit to drive and should get their driver's license revoked.
  
  Roundabouts, speed bumps etc. Make people actually slow down in residential areas, with cars parked both sides of road etc. Not a 20 sign government can whakc in some more fines for no good reason.
  I sorta agree with you? Slapping a road sign is not much of a limit, and those road infrastructure that discourage speeding is needed. But then we also can't deny the ruling also saved a lot of life and make road safer for pedestrian, and also can't deny doing those road infrastructure cost a lot. I can't say too much on how they can do it because i never been to UK or Europe as i don't know how far people usually commute, and road shouldn't have that low of a limit anyway compared to street, but they gonna start somewhere, somehow. The article mentioned they're rolling back for some road so that's a good start.
  They need to focus on people high/drunk or generally mentally senile to drive.
  They need to focus more than just these, driving distracted and speeding also kills and injured a lot of people. Normal people make mistake, but the severity of that mistake depend on the speed. Blaming just that three seems like taking responsibility away from people.
  It encourages people to doze off and fiddle with Phone, or to speed.
  This is i think a circular reasoning? Slow speed encourage people to doze off or playing with their phone, so need to speed up. High speed increase fatality, so need to slow down. There's no winning in this. fyi people also believe 80kmph-100kmph is too slow and make them doze off so they speed beyond 110kmph. I talk with people who justify speeding and that's basically what they always been doing, there's virtually no "sweet spot" in setting speed limit.
Wait, Wales uses mph on signage?
- The UK uses a mix of metric and imperial depending in the use (car speeds, people weight, food weight, etc)
  
  T'is a silly place. Let's not go there.
  
  They use freaking stones for people weight. I mean, what kind of measurement is a stone even? That's even worse than the demented imperial system.
- England does as well.
- ...yes?
- No, they use Welsh.
In one street of my neighborhood, drivers are going something like 40kph up the hill as if they're on a highway. Makes me wish for a couple humps to slow them down.

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