Paper and mobile train tickets to be replaced with GPS tracking in new travel trial
Paper and mobile train tickets to be replaced with GPS tracking in new travel trial
Rail minister Lord Peter Hendy said: “The railway ticketing system is far too complicated
So by making it reliant upon a foreign satellite navigation system, everyone having a working phone, and a willingness to give us permission to track all of your movements, we've now made it simpler than a piece of paper!
It does seem like a very over-engineered solution, with far too many points of failure.
Hendy is a fucking joke, look at the saga he's conducting in Oxford. This idea is also a joke, I wouldn't believe it's serious if I had seen all the other completely messed up stuff happening in the UK.
I'm not saying it's better from a privacy point of view. It's clearly not. And it is more complicated behind the scenes to track 3.000.000 people than to print little pieces of paper. But, they aren't lying when saying it is indeed less complicated to the end user, Instead of figuring out ticketing systems and pricing scales from various companies, regions, with different regulations about exceptions on prices or how many people are a "group", etc to find the ticket / price that is the best deal for you, you just "activate" when getting on a vehicle and "deactivate" when done traveling. I've used it, it's called Fairtiq here and it really is waaaay less complicated to use for average end user than any other ticketing system like counters, machines, websites. They track you, the data is hopefully also used for optimising public transport towards measured demand, and in return for tracking they promise you'll always get the best possible price for whatever route you travelled. It's not the worst way to use tracking technologies.
In D.C. (one of the few places in the US with good public transport) you can get a pass you put money on. Then you just scan it when you enter/exit a station and you get billed for the price of that trip. It's dead simple. (It could be made even simpler if you just connected a credit card to it though, or if it just was, as an option, your credit card or google/apple pay.)
It sounds like to fix this problem the government just needs to regulate these companies and implement a similar system. It's far simpler and more reliable and robust.
Aye, so to compensate for a complicated, privatised, and fractured rail system, they implement a complicated ticketing system in the name of convenience. It's a shit system to cover for all the other shit systems within English rail.
If they instead nationalise the rail, the end user can have simple fares from one easy provider.
Please just fix the existing system instead of replacing it with a shittier one. Not everyone has a phone.
Bag of cocks. Simplify the ticketing system by:
a) make all the tickets generally cheaper, so you don't need to make special advance super saver restricted use tickets
b) actually tell us when peak time is, and keep it consistent
c) no more "you can only use it on this train company" tickets
d) no more "you can only use it on this exact train" tickets. If you cancel my train, I'm getting on the next train that goes there and you're accepting my ticket.
e) there are three main tickets - single, day return, period return
f) you can buy discounted tickets for a week, month, year of the same journey
g) you can buy a ticket online, from a website to email, from an app, in a ticket office with a person or from a machine
Basically, just get rid of the stupid shit with all the "special" conditions on it.
Myeah not entirely an unfair comment.
But I’ve worked in Switzerland and literally it’s even simpler there. You start and app, you say “I’m starting a journey”, you climb onboard and when you get off, you indicate on the app that the journey has completed. You are then charged the cheapest for a journey from your A to your B.
Still inspection onboard, eg if you sit in first class with a second class tracking ticket, but it’s a two-click operation.
Fairtiq it’s called. Pretty neat.
Or nationalise it and then simplify it like this:
This is going to end up as one of those hugely expensive IT project failures and pissed off customers.
GPS isn't the most reliable thing when travelling in a metal tube, through tunnels, and arriving in big buildings with Victorian iron roofs.
This only benefits passengers if it comes at the same time as fixing the fare structures.
At the moment it's often cheaper to buy a split ticket, because it can be inexplicably far more expensive to buy a ticket between station A and station C than it is to buy tickets between stations A and B, and B and C on the exact same train. This would be impossible in a tap-on-tap-off type system; if it's just used to lock people out of cheaper fares, that's not good.
Edit - probably to be introduced at the same time they get rid of peak fares to “sweeten the deal”
Just no
“How can we get them to accept constant GPS tracking?”
“Easy, start with train tickets, like you’re doing them a favour”
The UK is on a very slippery slope
Weird that it needs GPS given that the barriers that need to scan the barcode already know where you are!
I have a KeyGo card and this works great - you scan the card at the barriers and it works out and bills you at the end of the day. Doesn't need an app or a powered up phone.
I never bothered, but I know in the Pokémon Go era there were people with apps that modified their GPS location to catch rare Pokémon without traveling. I don't know how that functioned, but I assume it could be used on this, right? It can't know if your location is spoofed or not. This doesn't seem like a very smart solution.
Please release this tomorrow because I don't have a smartphone and it means I will have another reason to not go into the office
They make faraday cages for phones these days.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SMtA6EP1SF0