Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle.
Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle.
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"Waaah, our vibe coding broke!"
-Companies that go all in on AI and think they don't need people
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Vibe coding anything more complicated than the most trivial example toy app creates a mountain of security vulnerabilities. Every company that fires human software developers and actually deploys applications entirely written by AI will have their systems hacked immediately. They will either close up shop, hire more software security experts than the number of developers they fired just to keep up with the garbage AI-generated code, or try to hire all of the software developers back.
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It staggers me that "vibe coding" is even a term. I wonder if the people behind that sort of thing would take the same attitude to, say, bridge design. "Oh yeah, move that support over there. It'll be fine, haha. Here, have a beer while you're at it!"
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If a company fired and tried to rehire me, it'd be the perfect opportunity to negotiate. Imagine asking for a 20% raise and all of the unvested stock they robbed you of in addition to a stock bonus.
And yeah, I'd ask for that.
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Well, yes. Capitalism and friends don't care about a healthy society. They care about the owners having all the riches. This is inevitable without intervention.
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Arguably, the market is flooded with tech grads, and they were never going to be enough jobs.
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These are the kind of articles that occurred last time there was a boom bust cycle. Instead of outsourcing taking our jobs, its now ai. Except with outsourcing you can at least fire the individual. Ai is a subscription plan that produces template code.
Give it a couple of years and it will go from being the new shiny thing to just a microwave again.
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Its hard because I wouldn't envy any new tech job seekers out there. From what I can see there aren't any entry level jobs in the field that being said I don't know what degree I would suggest that would have a good future career out of. I went into Data Science 8 years ago because it was going to be the high paying job of the future. I wouldn't recommend that now because there are no entry level jobs and those that exist are usually filled quickly
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It’s so disingenuous and absurd to claim this is a AI problem. It’s an over saturation of qualified individuals in a field, problem. These companies and executives are just using AI as a cover story to hide the fact that the industry is not growing fast enough to employ the number of skilled professionals in the field. This was the point of the whole “learn to code” talking points. Executives and shareholders wanted an over-saturation in the field so as to push down wages and reduce the bargaining power of employees.
This situation kind of hammers home the importance of a robust social safety net, strong unions, minimum wages that keep up with inflation, and maintaining an affordable cost of living. There being a saturation in one job market should not doom people to poverty conditions. Even a job at chipotle should pay well enough to live comfortably on, and workers there should have enough bargaining power to ensure decent treatment.
Like, we need to act collectively to ensure stability and prosperity. There is no path that someone can take individually to ensure these things, no escape hatch to prosperity for “hard workers”. “Learning to code” and “Get a CS degree” seemed like a straight forward answer, but here we are.
The other side is that the mass layoffs of the last year mean that there are plenty of experienced people to hire over new grads. I can't imagine any company right now taking on the cost and risk of training up entry level folks when they can hire a 10+ yr senior in that role who's been job hunting for 5 months, for the same or a little more than the entry level salary.
they will just go to h1b visas, and hire lower quality people, to barely maintain things.
AI was an excuse to fire people, in reality it doesnt generate profit for the company. by the time my older bro was laid off, he was in the 300k range of salary 165k is generously low and i would think it would be the max income if they would rehire,and i already suspected before the pandemic something will cause the companies to lay off the staff, and its usually the top earners and they would rather do it quickly. laid of in '23 and living off a severance package and not finding a job.
Exactly right. Most of us older coders have been warning of this for years. It was not benevolence that Microsoft, Google, Amazon so gleefully pushed for more coders and coding boot camps. They wanted a flood of labor to bring down salaries. They knew this was going to happen, and I've been calling it out for years. This is exactly what they wanted.
i had a "preminition" right before the pandemic that were going to start massive layoffs of tech workers soon, simply because they are earning hundreds of thousands a year, and the c-suites/ceos arnt going to let that slide.