One of the reasons that hentai etc of children is illegal in many regions is because abusers apparently use it to coerce children into performing the acts themselves, so it may not be created by abuse but may aid abusers. The same argument could be made against 'AI' images.
Sure, but it could also normalise images of children being raped and dramatically INCREASE the abuse of children. After all, widespread access to pornography didn't cure the world of rapists.
Why would it be any different if it's AI generated images of children and why should we risk our kids so that some internet pedo can jerk off?
I'm no expert, but I think this is the wrong take. I see two potential issues here:
It can be difficult for people not to escalate behaviour. Say if sexual harrasment somehow became legal or permissable. What new percentage of sexual assault might start? CSAM can be just the beginning for some people.
This makes CSAM more easily available, and therefore likely means more people are accessing/generating it. See point one.
I think you're edging towards thought crime territory here. No one is saying the real thing should be legal or the attraction should be socially acceptable.
But if this reduces the market for the real thing I see that as a win.
I mean the issue is, will they remain a well adjusted individual if they have access to CP. It is well known the it is. Slope when it comes to CP. Frankly I think this just makes it easier to start the issue, which is not what we want
I don't think people who are well adjusted are likely to go down this slope. Could you be convinced to download that stuff? If someone has that interest it's there to begin with, not caused by looking at a picture.
It could make it harder to find trafficked and abused children. Now they have to first separate the fake from the real. And, what a sickening job for the poor person taking on this responsibility.
Exactly. Assuming this article means the American government when it says "government", the First Amendment firmly protects entirely fictional accounts of child abuse, sexual or not. If it didn't, Harry Potter would be banned or censored.
I can get "great" results trying to generate naked child with standard models for Stable Diffusion. They are not trained on abuse material. But they infer naked child on hentaï. Actually, it's more of a problem. Most of the time I have to fight the generator not to generate sexy women. And generating sexy women you have sometimes to fight for them not looking too young.
I made an account to reply to this thread. I am a psychology student specializing in sexuality!
So, first: yes, in most places, particularly the US, images which are indistinguishable from a real child (such as photorealism) are included as CSAM, regardless of whether or not the child "exists." This does not include things like lolicon, cub, cartoons, every historical painting ever, etc. There is no provable harm caused by cartoon images of "sexualized minors," as determined by the Sexological Clinic (seen here, translated from it's original language).
That would mean that, yes, hyper-realistic imagery of children in sexual situations does, at least in the USA, count as CSAM. As a psychology student, there is also heavy push to prevent patients with pedophilic or inhibition disorders to seek out such material, as it can and does lead to harm. Once again, I am not talking about lolicon-- I am talking about CSAM.
Laws may vary in regards to UK, AU, CA, FR, etc. To my understanding, all of those countries claim to ban any such depiction, regardless of it's level of toony-ness. They also allow works like Stephan King's IT and Tony Morrison's The Bluest Eye, which technically fall under their ban. CA also sells Interspecies Reviewers, known for it's loli content, in bookstores. So, I suppose you should be "grain of salt"ing this one. Also note that as an American, I do not know the intricacies of other countries laws-- we are barely taught our own.
And, no, the PROTECT act is not in effect in the USA. It was deemed unconstitutional. I'm only providing what I can as a student with a vested interest in this kind of thing.
TL;DR
Photorealistic AI images of CSAM is still CSAM and is still bad. AI images of loli hentai are not comparable.
No notes on roleplay/text, that's probably case-by-case (but is likely viewed more similarly to the loli thing).
Stability AI, the UK company behind Stable Diffusion, told the BBC it “prohibits any misuse for illegal or immoral purposes across our platforms, and our policies are clear that this includes CSAM”.
And who in the real world expects those people to obey these terms of service?
To their credit they've always had a safety checker on by default, it just isn't very good and returns a lot of false positives so it quickly became standard practice to bypass it
I was fine tuning a stable diffusion model on my face once and then the thought occurred to me.... Skmeine, somewhere. I'd training this thing to spit out CSAM.
I had this dark, heavy feeling for a few days after that. Something about a button that will just generate an infinite amount of child porn. Ugh it's appalling.
In Canada we've banned even cartoon pictures of minors. It seemed extreme to me at first because it's considered to be on the same level as actual CSAM. Now, however, I'm glad. It doesn't take a lot to feed a stable diffusion program a cartoon image and having it spit out something realistic.