‘It’s too late’: David Suzuki says the fight against climate change is lost
‘It’s too late’: David Suzuki says the fight against climate change is lost
I don't know this David, but fuck them.
Next time I'll read the article before knee jerking. As it turns out, they don't say it's too late to act, rather that it's too late to still count on changes from the political and economical domination structures.
Leaving the rest here because it's still true.Climate change isn't an on/off switch, it's something that can always be made better or worse by increments.
Yes we're going over 1.5°C and almost surely over 2°, world is gonna become hell for hundreds of millions of people (usually those least responsible for climate change) as it has already for dozens millions.
But we're still better at 2.2 than 2.3. Or at 3.7 than 3.8. Or 3.0 than 3.1.
Humanity's survival is not at stake, but the lives of countless people are. If by our action we can reduce the number of people sufdering/dying from climate change even by 0.0001%, it's still worth the fucking fight.TLDR: never too late to go vegan, stop traveling by plane or bombing oil companies exec offices and cars.~~
Climate change isn't an on/off switch, it's something that can always be made better or worse by increments.
I'm just speaking to the accuracy of this one sentence. This is completely 100% incorrect.
The climate system is a chaos system that has many areas of stability, rapid transformation and tipping points.
If you think the system is only incrementally changing, that's just because you haven't pushed it hard enough to rapidly shift to a new area of behavior you've never seen before.
Many of these regimes are irreversible and cannot be changed back. You cannot unburn toast, it's a one way deal.
Once the climate changes, EVEN if you reset the conditions, you will not return to the initial state. Not at all. That idea is propaganda.
The fossil carbon and other climate related chemicals we have already dumped into the environment have a very long lag time before we see the effects (at all). These chemicals and their effects are more long living that most nuclear waste, for example. These are not going away while humanity still exists. That's a done deal.
I think you're right, but I don't think OP would necessarily disagree (although I don't know them).
The point is, we don't really know where, or how many, tipping points there are. Every 0.1 degree warming is a higher chance of reaching them. And most climate models predict very different outcones for 2 degree vs 3 degree vs 4 degree warming.
So, there are a bunch of lags effects and tipping points, but we still don't have any information to suggest that every 0.1 degree avoided has huge value.
You are right, but life will always find a way, but we won't necessarily. The powers of this world have shown their colours, we asked them to play nice and fair and created systems to hold them in check. They just bought their way into leader of the free world and have gutted all that hard work of the last 75 years so they can go back to being incredibly shitty. As many of us go vegan or use paper straws, the worse culprits for waste streams are the creators, not the users/consumers and things will continue to get worse. Money is the root of all evil in that it drives decisions over the health and wellbeing of people, animals, the environment or the planet. Anything for a buck...
Suzuki is a leading climate activist, worth learning more about. https://davidsuzuki.org/story/pipeline-blockade-is-a-sign-of-deeper-troubles/
It's honestly incredible that that's his point and the headline twists it into 'the fight is lost'. Like he's literally saying that we need to step outside of these institutions that are designed to capture and neuter our political imagination, and instead we should use our power of direct action, and the author said, "okay but my imagination is completely captured so I interpret that to mean that the fight is lost, actually".
It's not your fault that the title is sensationalist.
as a yotuber said, they already abandoned quite a while ago, the moment they were funding companies that were reccommending "carbon free footprint, carbon footprint reduction products" is you know they arnt reducing thier own output emissions.
Maybe the long term fight we can still win is 'Can we do enough to keep the possibility that humans might become extinct over the coming centuries off the table at 2100'.
Does it matter whether humanity goes extinct? Not really, that’s isn’t the big challenge. Human suffering is.
It's the road to that extinction and how the billons behave while dwindling away to 0 that sucks yep.
None of it really matters all that much to me, at this point. But I am pretty sure that humankind having some sort of potentially achievable long term goal, and crucially (when it comes to trying to stop climate change) tries to fight a battle that isn't already lost, is the only way forward.