Trump now says farmers may continue employing migrants under a system where they assume ‘responsibility’ for them
Trump now says farmers may continue employing migrants under a system where they assume ‘responsibility’ for them
President Donald Trump said on Friday that farmers may be able to continue employing migrants without fear of raids
Donald Trump said on Friday that farmers may be able to keep employing undocumented migrant workers without fearing enforcement raids under a system in which they would take "responsibility" for them.
Undocumented immigrants make up 4.6% of the U.S. workforce— more than 7 million people. Many of them work in agriculture, hospitality and construction, The Guardian reports.
Shay Myers, who runs Parma, one of the country's largest onion farms, warned that "we will not feed our people without these workers," considering that the Department of Agriculture estimates that over 40% of industry workers are undocumented.
So slaves?
Yeah, not surprised at the Orange Blunder finding a way to bring back slavery. Oh his cronies will think up a different name for it, but soon these poor people will be segregated and counted as ⅗ of a person for purposes of population counting when drawing up political districts.
At this rate we are going to end up with Civil War 2 Electric Boogaloo before Christmas...
Edit: Correction of fractions, the historical amount was ⅗, not ⅕.
Ahh, yes.
I think the U.S. used to have a system where the farmers assumed responsibility for people who weren't citizens but worked for them.
What was that called again?
3/5ths
What was that called again?
sTaTeS riGhTs!
Oh, so like visa sponsorship? The thing that already exists?
No, you don't understand. This will have the Trump name, so it's different.
-Idiots
It will be worse, because in the very vague details as this is being discussed, this will formally tie them to an employer, so they won't be able to seek employment that doesn't hire "illegals", and basically lets employers deport people.
A visa is a contract between the immigrant and the state, with the employer acting as a third party, not as an intermediary. This is indentured servitude, basically formalising the current system where these people are allowed in as long as they are only used to undercut local wages, but they can't seek their own happiness and freedom.
That’s just slavery with extra steps.
If the labor that is necessary for feeding people can't exist without undocumented workers, then perhaps the system itself is fundamentally broken if there is no easy path to citizenship.
You cannot have it both ways, Trump. Either it's easy to come here and get papered up and nobody gets deported (and he loses his ultimate scapegoat), or it's just as hard as it is now and we deport everyone working the fields and starve.
Has a single one of these
plantationfarm owners been arrested for employing the undocumented workers?Nope. They hire these people then call ICE on them when it's payday. They got the fruits picked and didn't have to pay a dime.
Yeah except the Visa program they use is tied to their employment. Big Ag has been holding people basically as indentured slaves, forcing them to live on the farm. Any disagreement, or refusal to perform as the owner wants and their status is void and they get sent back. The government has known for YEARS about this happening. Always turned a blind eye, and now they have removed any avenue to permanent legal status in the US from that very visa program. So, want to live, or flee from oppression to the US? Well, now they'll oppress you.
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Slavery. It’s called slavery.
My official guess for the name of this new slavery program is the "Essential Guest Worker" bill/order.
I've said it before but before I die I fully expect to see some sort of "Right to Labor" (or something) law where companies can press unemployed people into "employment" for prison wages.
Why not "Substantial Labour Addition Verification Edict"?
No, brand it the way he likes, call it "Trump Slaves".
Lets see how long it will take some red neck farmers to abuse the system and threaten their workers with "work more or I will get you deported" kind of threats.
That's always been the system. That's how they keep the wages so low.
That’s already been happening for a hundred years.
TACO
They're all just making shit up as they go along, aren't they?
Not exactly made up. Slavery is a real thing.
I meant in terms of 'policy decisions'. They change with the wind.
TACO again. Faced with collapse of the food bowl which was obvious…..
Farmers: "All hail King Donald! He solved the problem he himself caused! What a business GENIUS!"
Face Eating Leopards: "Munch! Chew! Nom!"
Heinous country. Imagine being such a horrible place that you mistreat the ones that feed you.
So he's thinking about a soft sell on "Slavery Lite" then. Do you guys remember the days when a president could do something like this and it would IMMEDIATELY mean the absolute end of their political career? I miss that. I miss that so much.
In the US? You're gonna get indentured servitude
Slavery with extra steps...
Ignoring all the other obvious issues... How would this even work if these gestapo fuckers are rounding people up at Home Depot and court houses and routine traffic stops? These farms will just continue to bleed legal and undocumented migrants, regardless of whether they're directly raiding a farm.
President Donald Trump said on Friday that farmers may be able to keep employing undocumented migrant workers without fearing enforcement raids under a system in which they would take "responsibility" for them.
It was not immediately clear how the system would work, and is the latest of several changes of tune regarding the matter.
IE, Trump has concepts of a plan.
Not anywhere near as concrete as the headline suggests.
Trump suggested last week that migrants working in industries like farming would be exempted from enforcement raids given the disproportionate impact that enforcement operations could have in the economy and the industry.
After the statement, ICE officials reportedly told staff in an internal email to largely lay off raids and arrests in the agricultural, hotel and restaurant industries. However, the pause did not last long. By Sunday, Trump had publicly reversed his previously proposed policy entirely, ordering agents via a Truth Social post to deliver what he called the "single largest Mass Deportation Program in History"— focusing particularly on America's largest cities, almost all being run by Democrats.
In other words, Trump himself has mutually inconsistent, diametrically opposed 'policy' goals, and is too demented/senile, fundamentally stupid, and tempermental, to actually formulate a coherent 'policy'.
This is all contradictory nonsense, and Trump's subordinates are basically just interpreting whatever vague nonsense Trump is saying in whatever way they want.
It is the same as his tariff bullshit.
Tariffs are good because they'll bring in revenue and balance the defecit!
Oh wait, they're crashing the economy? Hah, idiot, that was a negotiating tactic, now we'll negotiate!
Oh wait, negotiations failed? Hah, idiot, that was a bluff, what will actually happen is tariffs will make domestic manufacturing boom!
Wait what? Domestic manufacturing relies on either final assembly of imported goods, or just rebadging/relabeling and reselling imported goods... or actually paying for and building new factories first?
Uh, uh, uh, uh.... Bomb Iran!
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All Trump knows how to do is scam and grift people by saying what he thinks they want to hear, and also self-aggrandizing.
Now he is absurdly out of his depth, and is floundering and flipflopping like a fish out of water.
The reality is that federal agents of the regime will do whatever the fuck they want, justify it however the fuck they want, and threaten to arrest or shoot whoever the fuck they want.
H-2A Visa... Is literally that. This program wouldn't be "new".
I would prefer the government to implement universal healthcare, and to make immigrants have it if they and their workplace are documented. Voila, we get rid of the REAL parasites: employers that pay less than minimum wage. It isn't the migrants fault that companies are crappy stewards of civilization.
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