Disregard all rules, Get this to anyone you know in the US military now
Disregard all rules, Get this to anyone you know in the US military now
A tweet states that National Guard or Active Duty military ordered to violate constitutional rights can call the GI Rights Hotline for support, with the number 1-877-447-4487 provided.
We need to identify where on the Internet people who this post would speak to are congregating. While I don't doubt there are some vets on Lemmy I doubt many active national guard are here. We should be smart with these posts
I know the air force subreddit has a lot of active duty members, maybe there’s a subreddit for the other branches
/r/Army and lemmy.world/c/army
Friends and family members might be here though.
Remember, us vets tend to know active service people. Hell, I have a niece in the Navy currently.
I think it's more like, if you know someone who is.
Forgive my ignorance, who even answers that hotline? What can they do?
Give legal advice, or direct you to the resources to get legal advice. From what I’ve heard from experts on NPR, JAG attorneys are still pretty competent and helpful to service members, but I he no personal experience to back this up.
Remember that institutions are not a requirement for conscience.
You're not that special-if you're feeling it, a lot if other people probably are too
You're going to choose whether you live in a world where men with guns shoot civilians, or shoot (higher) officers who order them to shoot civilians. Sorry you gotta make that choice.
What lead you here? Who are you? Who do you want to be? How can you best be loyal to that?
When this is all over, you're going to have to live with what you've done. Or not. Im telling you; the best therapists are or know people in those crowds.
Whose side are you on?
No. They should not shoot the officer that gives the order, that is a prison sentence no matter what.
The whole "disobey unethical orders" thing is for officers on the field receiving orders from command that they perceive as a warcrime (or against the constitution). They simply say "no, we aren't doing that".
If someone shoots an officer ordering war crimes that is justice, and probably why they don't allow military members to be tired by public courts. They would almost certainly be acquitted.
Honestly I like how the constitution says everyone without exception is allowed a jury trial, but we just pretend that it's okay for the military to not follow that. Like sure now they are volunteers, but conscription has a long history. It's kinda fucked up when you think about it, and definently unconstitutional
but that's illegal!
If this pops off, there are no laws. It's just men with guns. Your lib shit is going to get people killed. Lots of people. Your lib shit is how you start a civil war. Stop. Delete this comment. Im trying to reduce harm here, you're clearly into accellerationism.
the officers should
Yeah. Yeah they should. And if they don't, their soldiers should protest, by issuing a report in .768.
Political power, when there is no mutual respect or goal, comes out the barrel of a gun.
Edit: they've already violated both the Geneva conventions, as is standard, and the constitution of the united states. Every point in the chain of command is a chance to stop an atrocity. The soldier holding the gun is the absolute last failsafe, and if things get to that point, everything else has failed. Civil society has, at least locally, failed and no longer exists.
Can't these babykillers do warcrimes against brown people that don't inconvenience the US as usual?!?
They will feel nothing over shooting civilians cuz "tHeY dId nOt GaVe tHaT oRdeR" being a bag of meat is a special skill ngl
edit: changed a word, to not mislead people into thinking I do not respect sexworkers.
I just logged on to post this and was pleased to see it at the top of my feed o7
I'd suggest all service members from all branches of military to expect to be made to do blatantly fascist things. Do not be a tool of a dictator; do not simply follow orders. Fully prepare to quit in protest, or fully prepare to be a perpetrator.
I can tell you never served. They can refuse to follow illegal orders, and are specifically required to do so. The procedure normally requires you to place the offending officer under arrest, but there are circumstances that would allow for the delivery of a corpse instead. Fragging didn't start in Doom and Quake.
What they absolutely cannot do, is quit. That's called going AWOL and that shit carries years in Leavenworth.
My point is to plan an out now, so you don't have to deal with those repercussions. This will not happen immediately because there will be great resistance, but Trump fully intendeds to strongarm every part of government under his control. The legislature will be the easiest(already rolling over), then the courts(multiple Supreme Court conservatives are hopelessly trying to maintain independence with the liberals), but the military is a different beast that's designed to withstand a ton of shenanigans.
However, given the fact that he intends to disobey the constitution and stay for a 3rd term, he'll want to sideline you by then. What I imagine he'll do is push boundaries as hard as possible, purge top positions of non loyalists while pressuring rank and file who do take their oath seriously to put their money where their mouth is. I personally think this cannot lead to civil war, as the military is designed to not let that happen, but it will make civil war more likely in a post Trump world.
The military will be the last to fall, but it will be impossible for it to get out of this unscathed. This is what the end for American liberal democracy looks like. America is not exceptional enough to resist.
Fuck anyone in the US military.
The military has historically been one of the few semi-reliable ways to escape generations of extreme poverty. If you’re raised in the hood and don’t want to fall into a gang, the military is often your only realistic option.
The entire system is designed to funnel poor kids into the military, because that’s the only way to sustain such a massive military industrial complex.