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To Stop Losing the Culture Wars, Learn From Gay Marriage

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To stop Losing the Culture Wars
The only winning move is not to play
No war but class war
- Surely the class war includes protecting marginalised groups of people
  
  The poor are one of those marginalized groups. Democrats have already abandoned them, and are now saying that they need to abandon other marginalized groups and then focus on class.
  Of course, they'll get as far as abandoning marginalized groups and forget the rest.
- "wars", or really just disputes in general I guess since culture war is metaphorical, don't really work that way. It only takes one side to start one, and then the other side must either resist them or cede what the other wants, there's no option to just opt out of them without mutual desire to do so, and if someone has started one against you that desire obviously isn't there.
  The issues considered "culture war" aren't inconsequential, they affect the lives of real people in material ways. Thus, trying to dismiss them as a distraction just means accepting harm to some people. If one wants a decent society, it is necessary to win both.
- Do you mean that we should simply surrender to the right and let them oppress marginalized groups?
  War has been declared, and we can't just plug our ears and pretend it's not happening.
- Tell me you didn’t even read the lede that directly ties it into the class war without telling me
- That isn't not playing it's just making it bigger to include the broader spectrum
- This is why I posted this basically.
  I am wondering can a culture war even be won? Aren't we allowing the conservatives to define the game to such extend that makes winning impossible?
  And additionally are these wars even separate or one and the same but viewed through different lenses?
  What do you think, oh wise people of the internet?
Sadly that war is not over yet. They're going to actively try to take it back. Gay marriage isn't safe and we shouldn't pretend it is.
- Not sure where you're talking about but in the US it's as safe as it will ever be short of an amendment to the Constitution.
  At the national level it's protected by law in the Respect for Marriage Act, by case law precedent AND the constitution per Obergefell v. Hodges and its supported by ~70% of Americans by last polling.
  
  I like your optimism but the rule of law is rapidly becoming meaningless here.
  
  Supreme Court Justices have hinted in arguments that they might want to revisit Obergefell. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to guess which ones.
I just watched a video of an enraged MAGAT. The tax cuts on overtime only applied to people making under 100k. No focus on the tax cuts at the top. Just mad all the tradesmen making over 100k didn’t get their free money. “Working class priorities” are rise to the top and pull up the ladder. They are “what about meeeee” and a side of “ill pay more to fuck over the gays and blacks”
We gotta acknowledge most people were appealing too are retarded selfish and evil.
- Bro, they're writing in Jacobin, they know what the left is, and the difference between being on a national left and being a leftist.
  
  Right its jacobin lmao cant have shit here
The first step of winning a culture war is to acknowledge you are in one.
Sadly I think the big turning point for gay rights in this country was the Matthew Shepard murder. It was very much another Emmett Till type of turning point that shocked a lot of people into awareness.

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