GOP lawmaker left speechless when asked if he's trans during a hearing
GOP lawmaker left speechless when asked if he's trans during a hearing
He huffed about how the question wasn't "appropriate" even though his bill would result in kids being asked that same question.
A Republican state rep from Michigan testifying about his anti-trans sports bill on Monday was left speechless after an out Democratic colleague began his questioning by asking, “Representative, can you tell me: are you trans?”
A long beat staring down out gay Democratic state Rep. Mike McFall followed, before state Rep. Jason Woolford (R) managed to reply, “Are you?”
“I’m actually going somewhere with this,” he said to lawmakers in the small chamber.
“Because I want to know, how does a 14-year-old girl prove whether or not she’s trans to a 50-year-old coach?”
I love this. This is a really good, simple, impactful strategy.
I'm pretty sure he's MS13. We should deport him just in case.
No, he’s tren de aragua. He’s part of the invasion and should be transported to CECOT post haste
I'm pretty sure he has an invisible tattoo.
I swear to god republicans found out Penis Inspection Day wasn't real and are now making it a thing to save face.
From the State House to the White House, we are saying that we will no longer allow our daughters and women to be taken advantage of by insecure men...
Yeah, we should protect them from these insecure, conservative men who constantly think about other people's genitals.
Was this quote from a republican?? How can you be so self unaware?
Trans men don’t exist of course.
Or we are autistic teenagers that need to be
torturedreceiving “therapy.”
It's a complex issue for sure, but I'm really proud of this thread for consistently using the term "trans women" when talking about the differences between trans women compared to cis women and cis men in sports.
On Reddit, most people on this debate just say "biological males," "males," or "men" in situations where they're clearly talking about trans women, which is a clear tell that it was never about fairness in sports for them.
I stay out of that fight because I don't know enough about the real statistics to comment on it. Which I feel like would drastically improve the situation if all these armchair "bIoLoGiCaL aDvAnTaGe" people would do the same.
Its not complicated at all.
Trans folks are just folks. Takes all kinds. Mind your own business.
People who can't mind their own business are assholes. And should be treated like the assholes they are.
Not to mention just how blatantly disrespectful it is to not treat people how they want to be treated. Republicans love to pull a bible out of their gaping holes when it suits them right? Luke 6:31-36.
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Oh. Fucking Reddit is so fucked. That place has fully embraced the scum. All meaningful conversation there is absolutely dead, conservatives have absolutely poisoned the well and nobody is open for business even if they want to be. Even good mods are 100% scorched earth, which can be nice, but sometimes the questions are genuine and the person they're having a convo with can easily destroy them. But because there's so much sockpuppeting and astroturfing and just shitty behavior, most people are now deaf and lazy, and even in the same comment threads, it becomes an echo chamber of two idiots trying to appeal to the audience with mic drops.
Even if it weren't totally cooked from admins to culture, reddit is unreliable, untrustworthy, and functionally useless.
What, you guys didn't have penis inspection day in gym class?
That's only in the girls class.
No for real. Penis inspection happened like.. every year?
...
I'm sorry
My middle school held an assembly over a fad of "dick tapping" that had taken over the boys in the school. Apparently it had become "a thing" for them to just reach over and slap their friends' penises, and it got so bad that we needed a damn assembly.
All us girls were extremely confused. We legit thought most of the boys in our school must have secretly been gay if they wanted to touch each other's dicks so badly. Even if the boys weren't gay, we figured they must be pretty frickin' stupid to play such a dumb "game." A lot of us had crushes evaporate in an instant, and I for one never looked at the boys in my class the same again.
Nowadays, I know better than to assume one's sexuality from such things. However, I never stopped being extremely confused about that game.
trans guys have bigger dicks than republican legislators, so this is a fair question
Last time I was at the gynecologist’s- “that’s unusually big - are you sure you aren’t intersex”?
Nurse told me my dong was big, hehe.
nice
It's a real shame he deflected, I would have loved to see this argument continue.
“Because I want to know, how does a 14-year-old girl prove whether or not she’s trans to a 50-year-old coach?”
Puts on rubber glove we have teasts
Generally these tests are conducted by pedophiles and kept secret, so I can see why the GOP has no problem with them.
I guess I'm out of the loop on this subject and honestly I don't know if the information I have is factual or not.
Do trans women generally have a physical advantage over women? Are there any rules for this kind of thing? Do they need to be transitioning or taking suppression drugs? This is a serious question.
trans people on hormone replacement therapy stop receiving the effects of whatever hormone their body produces naturally. so trans women lose muscle mass, bone density, whatever, and have no benefit from having previously lived as a man.
additionally, im of the opinion that less than 1 percent of child athletes go on to play professional sports, so who gives a shit who is playing who
"Do trans women generally have a physical advantage over women?"
No. Trans women were able to complete in the Olympics beginning in 2004. No trans woman has won an Olympic medal in the woman's category.
There are many studies that compare cis men to cis women and based on that claim trans women have an advantage. Among the studies that actually compare trans women to cis women it is generally found that trans women have no overall advantage.
"Are there any rules for this kind of thing? Do they need to be transitioning or taking suppression drugs?"
The rules and requirements vary by league. At higher levels of competition its generally required to have hormone levels at cis female levels for a prolonged period. Often 6 months or longer. To clarify, getting to those levels roughly takes 2+ years of hormone replacement therapy(hrt). Hrt for trans women generally consist of an anti-androgen, estradiol, and progesterone.
There are many studies that compare cis men to cis women and based on that claim trans women have an advantage.
They also selectively exclude all of the sports where women have distinct advantages, like cross-country. Cis men are statistically better at quick bursts of energy, like weightlifting or sprinting… But cis women are statistically better at endurance sports like cross country. Basically, cis men have an higher concentration of fast-twitch muscle fibers, which use a lot of energy but are more powerful. While women have more slow-twitch muscle, which allows them to last longer while exerting less energy or using less oxygen.
Sports were originally segregated by sex because men couldn’t stand the thought of losing endurance sports to women. It would be wholly undignified for a dainty woman to beat a bunch of big strong men, after all. They broke women off into a separate category, so they didn’t have to worry about it. And all of those endurance sports conveniently get left out of the conversation whenever discussing the advantages that conservatives claim trans women have.
Human beings are sexually dimorphic, but most of the advantages or disadvantages are negligible or can be overcome with training, so it makes little difference. It makes even less difference in middle and high school aged children, since everyone is at (somewhat) different points developmentally anyway.
So in college sports the performance gap is larger and should be considered or no? I also find this hard to believe even at a highschool level. While I was in highschool the advantages of testosterone were very obvious. If it were really the case that it makes little to no difference then shouldn't the argument be to remove gender from sports all together?
negligible or can be overcome with training
I agree on a highscool/grade school level, but not at any extreme competitive level. There's a reason most of the world records for athletics are held by men.
Testosterone doesn't make all men better than all women, but if you take two equally trained+talented people for most athletic events, the men outperform the women.
The answer is more complicated than other comments would lead you to believe. Before I get into all that, please know it doesn’t matter. Especially, when it comes to 14 year old kids who are playing JV sports at school.
First, the problem with studies is that there are very few trans athletes to study. Some studies have only one or two subjects.
Studies show that there is both an advantage and a disadvantage depending on what sport we are talking about and how long the athlete has been on hormones. Weightlifting and other strength based sports do tend to give an edge to trans women. However, cardio sports such as swimming and running put trans women at a disadvantage because they now have smaller muscle mass for their larger frames.
To me, it doesn’t matter. The camaraderie and other things that kids get out of sports is more important than who wins and who loses.
Considering most trans athletes can't best records set by cis women, it seems pretty clearly no
There is a recent last week tonight with Jon Oliver that explores this topic in a way that entertaining and powerful. Definitely worth a watch.
Hopefully you have a genuine interest and aren't "just asking questions"
I'm genuinely asking. On its face it seems unfair but I also don't understand public schools'obsession with sports that seems to be made worse by the cost of college and sports also being tied to that. At the same time I also know that anything the GOP is throwing a bitch fit about is guaranteed to be a bunch of bullshit. I usually watch John Oliver regularly but I've fallen behind this season. I appreciate the link and I'll give it a watch.
I don't know about performance, or advantage (and I don't think it matters since noone seems to care about the performance or fairness of non-proffesional sports unless it can be used as a bludgeon against trans people), but I happened to be arguing with my neighbor about this a few days and found that, according to the president of the NCAA there are "less than 10" transgender athletes in college sports out of about a half million. I feel like the whole discussion is a red herring. 1
Most likely.
What is Jason Woodford hiding?!?!?
The moment was a win for Democrats opposed to the two anti-trans measures under consideration by the Republican-dominated committee, although they both passed and now move on to a vote in the Republican-led House.
a win for Democrats
they both passed
my head fucking hurts from this spin. it's a satisfying gotcha moment to feel self-righteous about but nothing more. the bills passed committee. grats, you 'won' a moment of one man squirming uncomfortably for a moment on his way to successfully further the agenda of hate.
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
