Daily Discussion Thread: Mon 04 Sep 2023
Daily Discussion Thread: Mon 04 Sep 2023
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So, my downvoter is obviously targetting anything I wrote with obvious transgender references. Mods, I can't report them, but its very obvious. I can't even block them. It's deliberate and designed to wear me down. People say, be resilient, but that doesn't help. People say their allies, but it's all talk and no real action. .
Also, Nath, Please take the time to read the report into trans hate. https://transjustice.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Fuelling-Hate-Anti-Trans-Abuse-Harassment-and-Vilification-WEB-SINGLES-1-1.pdf
It's pointless writing no transphobia if you don't know how to recognise it, where it comes from or what to actually do about it. Blocking and banning people does nothing, people just re-sign up and continue their beligerence in a new name. This is why I'm thinking of leaving and it means the transphobic loser wins. It's highly likely to be one of the regular posters here too.
There was a show on channel 7 last night again spreading complete lies about trans and gender diverse people and used people's photos without their consent. This is real and why I'm not in the mood much to report people here. I'll be writing complaint letters today and helping those who are now suffering because of their parents and such watched this crap and are fielding questions on where to turn for support. I do all this as a volunteer. I have a normal job too. I'm about at my capacity of dealing with the microaggressions and I'd like you to use what powers you have to stop the fucker from downvoting trans content. It seems silly and small, but no one else has been targeted.
Also remember, I now am about to catch public transport to about the only safe job I can find at the moment looking obviously trans the morning after this bullshit aired. It's not that I'll think I'll be targeted, but it's fucking anxiety inducing. Just remember, I'm not making up straw man arguments to bitch. I could a victim, THIS MORNING.
Sorry kids, have a nice day and enjoy bacon's breakfast.
I think downvotes are completely anonymous?
I do recall seeing something that they actually aren't and instance owners are able to see who downvotes things, but that was a couple of months ago and may have been changed. I'll see if I can find the post
I remember that post. I have never loaded up the database directly to read votes. But yes, I do have that power. I will take a look tonight at what I can actually see later tonight after the kids have gone to bed. That'll be around 11pm Melbourne time. Sorry I do have a day job and can't look at this any time sooner.
Oh yeah, I wasn't saying you didn't, or accusing you of being unwilling, I was just responding to modern gods comment about vote anonymity
Also, FWIW, I think before you do look you should consider what sorts of implications this may potentially have. I absolutely think it's warranted in this case - I don't have much respect for transphobes that are too scared to actually publicly state their opinion, but since this will set a bit of a precedent, it may be worth making an announcement in the main community so that people know their votes aren't anonymous and may be checked in certain circumstances? Again, I don't really care, but it could of course be seen as somewhat of an invasion
Honestly you peeps running this are amazing. thanks Nath, you have been more than patient with my drama than I deserve or expected. Thank you so much. edit no rush and as I said to Rusty, I'd just like to know if it is indeed all the same person and if they're a regular user. If it's just me paranoid great. Hope it's not too much of a stress.
Oh wow that’s interesting thank you.
Thanks, this is kind of what I was hoping, at least mods might be able to clear it up. Could well be I'm not being targeted by just one person but it's almost always when I post stuff about being trans so it feels like it probably is.
It's not something mods have any access to, and it is not information that is generally available at all. From that post it looks like a site admin might be able to write a script to get the information from the API, but I have no idea how complicated that would actually be. You would need to contact an admin and ask if you want them to do something like that.
But doing that would open up a lot of questions about what is appropriate in regards to site management, and you would need to be clear about exactly what you are asking. Are you just asking for someone to find out if it is a single person for your own piece of mind? Are you asking admins to take some sort of action against people who downvote your posts, and if so what? I'm really not clear on what you think should be done, you've said that blocking people does no good but you have not actually said what you think would work.
I want to support you, but as a moderator I have the ability to pin posts, remove specific posts/comments and block specific people from the group. That's it.
Thanks Rusty, I really appreciate your time in writing this response. I'd like to know if it is one person, not who it is and If you can do anything about telling them to stop. It's been going on since we all first started posting here and you'd be well aware of the lack of downvoting. But, I understand it's not simple as you've pointed out and I'm sure it's not really worth someone's time in the grand scheme of admin of this forum. I just wish if all my transition updates were making someone uncomfortable they'd say so. Or if someone was transphobic they'd just go right ahead and say so. I accept that those people exist. I don't think they're entitled to an opinion on scientific facts but others see things differently. How I behave here and in the real world are different as well. We all have guidelines here we must adhere to. People questioning their gender and finding it difficult for example may find my generally very positive experiences with it challenging. I've encountered that a bit actually. Its easy to rush to the must be a transphobic loser scenario, but I'm across a lot of trans issues as well. Envy is real as well all just want to find some happiness and if others are having it seemingly better is can cause an amount of jealousy.
So look, for now, I'll bear it. It's my choice to stay if I choose and you've answered my questions, so thanks heaps! Thank heck we have good mods here.
This is dreadful. You take care.
Thanks mate. I'm not one to just sit around complaining, I do stuff, but heck, some complaints are worth making.
fucking hell. We need to start biting people.
(have you gotten in touch with Seahorse? They might be able to hook you up with some safety buddies)
who or what are seahorse? Biting? ok, I don't like being that close to many people.
tl;dr: the OG for the trans comm in vic.
Thanks heaps for that, great resource of a bunch of stuff I already knew and a bunch of stuff I don't know and can check out. I refer people to these types of places often in my volunteer work, so it's really helpful to me for a bunch of reasons... <3
Also, Nath, Please take the time to read the report into trans hate. https://transjustice.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Fuelling-Hate-Anti-Trans-Abuse-Harassment-and-Vilification-WEB-SINGLES-1-1.pdf
Have just read this. I'm not sure grim reading like this should look so colourful and bright.
Interestingly, bad-faith participants submitted 80% (32) of their responses on just three of the nine days the survey was open and often only a few minutes apart. This concentration of responses suggests that the study was circulated among anti-trans networks on social media, either publicly or privately.
Notably, these respondents tended to skip most questions on the survey, answering only the open-text questions with comments ranging from a few sentences to lengthy essays. Several included links to identical anti-trans resources, further indicating a calculated approach to taking the survey.This is pretty awful, but it's also pretty hopeful. 40 people out of 3,099 were Anti-trans. And to find that many, they spread the survey among hate groups and brigaded the responses. That actually gives me hope. It tells me that yes, there are morons out there, but even when banding together, they're a tiny minority. Take some heart that 98.71% of the population supports trans rights. Yes, you're in the trenches dealing with this every day, but you are surrounded by people who are on your side.
As to "all talk and no action", how can we help? We want to help.
Thanks Nath, I really really appreciate that, yeah they chose the colours according to their branding. I'm kinda busy this evening and maybe later tonight depending on how many emails I get, but I'll send you through some details on how to help.
I believe you. I wish people would just mind their own business rather than harassing marginalised people based on what the TV says.
It’s weird saddo fascist shit and being pushed so aggressively on trans people now that gay people are more protected/are less of a socially accepted target