Florida set to become second state to ban fluoride in public water
Florida set to become second state to ban fluoride in public water
A bill to ban the use of the mineral in public water passed the Florida House 88-27. It now awaits Gov. Ron DeSantis' signature.
A bill to ban the use of the mineral in public water passed the Florida House 88-27. It now awaits Gov. Ron DeSantis' signature.
Lawmakers in Florida gave final passage to a bill to ban fluoride in public water systems Tuesday, with the state House voting 88-27.
SB 700, also known as the Florida Farm Bill, doesn't mention the word "fluoride," but it would effectively ban the chemical compound by preventing "the use of certain additives in a water system." The bill awaits Gov. Ron DeSantis’ signature.
If DeSantis, a Republican, signs the bill, Florida will become the second state to ban fluoride from water supplies.
9/10 Evil dentists approve
The three people who still have teeth in Florida are in trouble now.
the state is named after flouride, FLOURIDA
The other state is Utah.
You've been Jammed!
"Sir! The radar! It appears to be - jammed!"
FYI it was a reference to parks and rec, where the local dentist (Jeremy Jamm) tried to prevent Fluorine in water so people had more cavities... because it was good for his business.
His catchphrase was "you've been Jammed".
As if people's teeth in Florida weren't already bad enough from all the drug abuse.
meth mouth. plus meth gators.
How can the bill not say fluoride specifically but mentions "certain additives". Surely it must list what those certain additives are? Odd.
It basically says you can't add anything to water except for "water quality additives" and has a fuzzy definitely of water quality additive.
403.859 Prohibited acts.—The following acts and the causing thereof are prohibited and are violations of this act: (8) The use of any additive in a public water system whichdoes not meet the definition of a water quality additive as defined in s. 403.852(19)
And then 403.852(19) has
“Water quality additive” means any chemical, additive, or substance that is used in a public water system for the purpose of: (a) Meeting or surpassing primary or secondary drinking water standards; (b) Preventing, reducing, or removing contaminants; or (c) Improving water quality.
Bold are the additions. The "primary and secondary drinking water standards" are legally defined terms where the EPA sets limits on maximum allowable amounts of stuff in water.
https://www.epa.gov/sdwa/how-epa-regulates-drinking-water-contaminants-documents
Personally, I would argue that fluoride is added to water for the purpose of "improving water quality" because water that protects people's teeth is higher quality than water that doesn't. If I were someone from a municipality whose job was ensuring water quality, I would read this as still allowing the addition of fluoride. If anyone doesn't like that, let them try to prove in a court that fluoridated water is lower quality.
let them try to prove in a court
I don't think that would help these days
They are deporting teeth too
Yanks love to stereotype Brits as having bad teeth when statically your teeth have more cavities and removals (our dentistry focuses on health over cosmetics). Hopefully shit like this can fully kill that off that stereotype.
what ive found out when i was looking for toothpaste is how many people are obsessed with whitening thier teeth, that alot of toothpaste have it. whitening toothpaste actually damages the teeth overtime, either via through peroxides, or high abrasive toothpastes. Also if your going sls and flouride free, they also tend to have alot of whitening products in them too. and these also cause ulcers and chelitis issues.
The UK largely doesn't fluoridate, so this is one of the (few) areas where the US actually does better than the UK. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_by_country
The UK does generally have better tooth health in the grand scheme of things, but it's actually pretty close, and the US is still really high on the list.
https://www.yongeeglintondental.com/blog/healthy-primary-teeth/
Without checking, I suspect the US's slightly higher cavity rate is more down to sugar consumption than received dental care.
and also dental care isnt usually covered by most insurance so people try to ignore the problem til its too late.
Leave Florida if you can. Especially if you have or are expecting children. Moving isn't always possible, but if you live in Florida know that your state is actively trying to hurt you.
I feel so bad for anyone who lives there through no choice of their own
You know who doesn’t need Fluoride in their drinking water? People with dentures.
Checkmate whipper snappers.
You don't need municipal water to be fluoridated if you just want your kids to have fluoridation. When I was a kid, we didn't have fluoridation available in our municipal water, and so my folks got themselves a water cooler and ordered delivery of five gallon bottles of fluoridated water for it. Mom made a point of making milk with it from powdered milk so that everyone got their fluoridation. You can still get those bottles.
I mean, I'm sure that the great bulk of people aren't going to do that, and that it's going to lead to dental problems down the line, but it's not like an individual can't get ahold of the water if they want it. Costs more per unit of water volume to have it delivered than to pipe it in, but then, you're not drinking all that much volume of water, either; most residential water use goes to things other than drinking.
EDIT: Plus, if you have a water cooler, you also can have chilled water. We didn't have a powered cooler; ours was just an unpowered, gravity-fed dispenser, but all of the modern-day ones I've run into in offices have a chiller.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=water+dispenser+cooler
If I lived in (tropical) Florida, I'd probably want to have chilled water handy...
You're kinda missing the point. It doesn't stop at flouride. It doesn't stop at deregulating manufacturing waste. Nothing in politics is "just one thing" it's either an up or down trend that continues until people force change.
Being able to circumvent their measures doesn't mean they aren't actively trying to increase harms for residents.
You don't leave Florida because you want flouride in your water. You leave Florida because it's the type of state that would ban flouride in the water.
Done even need that.
I went to a rural school and every week on Tuesdays we took 10 minute shifts to go rinse our mouths with a fluoride mouth wash. 1 gallon jug with a pump and Dixie cups. Lasted most of a school year.
Fluorida
What a stupid and shitty timeline we’re living in. Holy shit.
Florida was always stupid. Anything they do, will not surprise me.
When are they going to ban dihydrogen monoxide?
More like DEI Hydrogen Monoxide
They probably should in some parts of the U.S. right? It's that badly contaminated.
Bring back asbestos, Florida! And leaded gasoline!
And gas station bath salts!
Well, don't need fluoride if you don't have teeth
Take iodine out of salt while you’re at it.
Let's bring the gioter look back!
Don't worry, y'all, they're probably gonna make lead pipes great again, too!
edit - that way, you can all look and act like wild bill from the green mile! isn't that GREAT?
A Florida Man in every household!
So if they don't use the word "fluoride," does that mean the purpose is that the bill is open to interpretation depending on what they politically need at the time?
Or will the Republicans pass this bill and claim victory, but will actually just leave fluoride in the water?
There is evidence that there is a correlation between fluoride in water and lower IQ in children. It's difficult to show causation, but it's something that should be investigated. Pausing fluoridation while this happens would seem sensible.
I think this is the first time I've ever defended something these arseholes have done. Feels weird.
There are actually studies that support this person's point. There's are correlations between the quantity of fluoride in water and non-neurotypical characteristics in children. There are also links between fluoride and small deceases in IQ.
Take a look at some studies and be open to complication: fluoride is good for teeth and prevents cavities in low doses, but it also has some potentially serious side-effects. We should absolutely be doing more research on this.
it’s something that should be investigated
I agree
Pausing fluoridation while this happens would seem sensible.
Why
The mean IQ level was more in the region with medium fluoride concentration in drinking water (56.68) compared to areas with low fluoride concentration (41.03) and high fluoride concentration (31.59).
So according to that study, having "medium levels" (1.2-2ppm) of fluoride is much better. I checked three random water reports in Florida which had 0.5, 0.7 and 0.9 ppm.
They also fucked up this graph
Notice the x axis
Did you even read the paper you linked?
Lol I'm sure Florida is so on top of that research
flouride also stregnthens the teeth, its a fact. the anti-flouride people still complaining how they are getting cavaties despite using all thse flouride free toothpastes. alot of them ventured into using n-HA as a replacement, but the effects are very unpredictable and hasnt be reliabe, i think you need confirmed 10% n-HA for the toothpaste to repair the teeth.
but the effects are very unpredictable and hasnt be reliabe
I have read many opinions from dentists, educated by the latest research, who claim otherwise.
Hydroxyapatite toothpaste has been on the market for a long time in Japan, and their statistics do not suggest that there is rampant decay in their population.
Topically applied fluoride only remineralizes the surface enamel, however, it is more resistant to acid-attack. The typical American diet and oral care habits make this a more desirable choice for those who are unwilling to commit to a consistent oral hygeine routine (and changing their diet + snacking/drinking habits).
Nano-Hydroxyapatite is similar to actual tooth structure and occludes dentinal tubules. This means it has superior remineralization capabilities, as it penetrates deeper into the tooth structure. For me, this has greatly reduced the sensitivity I have experienced (which is why I switched).
While the research has not quite caught up, it seems ideal that one ceases using fluoride toothpaste for a period of a few weeks to a few months and uses only nano-hydroxyapatite toothpaste to remineralize the parts that fluoride doesn't, and if their oral care routine isn't sufficient or they are showing signs of decay (due to e.g. acid attack or improper flossing/etc.), they then should use fluoride toothpaste exclusively after that point in time (until sensitivity occurs), or a mixture of the two toothpastes (such as using a product like CariFree, which contains both), as this will make the surfaces of their teeth more resistant to acid.
Now, as for fluoride added to the water supply, it's mostly useless to your teeth. Fluoride's benefits are topical, and most people do not give it a sufficient time to work (by leaving it on the teeth for 30 minutes). The fluoridated water doesn't stay on your teeth long enough to outweigh the benefits of proper toothpaste usage/application.
Even if studies in third world countries or other countries (like Canada) suggest there is a benefit to fluoridating the water supply, an increase in dental education (especially in parents with children) would be sufficient to outweigh the supposed negatives of ceasing a largely ineffective practice. Or through the regulation of foods and drinks that are known to directly contribute to the development of caries (especially in products targeting children).
Tooth decay doesn't magically happen, there are specific causes for it. Like repeatedly applying acids to the teeth (e.g. soda) without rinsing it off with water or leaving plaque on the teeth (which produces acid) - which inevitably hardens to tartar and leads to a cascade of effects on oral and gum health, including more acid production. Dry mouth is another big reason for decay, as saliva plays a big role in remineralization.
If dental care and education were more accessible, more people would know about fluoride/nano-hydroxyapatite varnishes or would have trays made that they use overnight to remineralize their teeth. The benefits of water fluoridation are nil compared to the effectiveness of prescription (or regular) fluoride toothpastes and a proper oral care routine/diet interventions. Regular interventions from hygienists and licensed dentists - like dental cleanings/check-ups every 6 months are also imperative for oral health.
i think you need confirmed 10% n-HA for the toothpaste to repair the teeth.
According to case studies, 1-3% (of nanoXIM) is optimal for safety, sensitivity, remineralization, and whitening.
Florida bans fluoride, eh? Florida… man.
How about dazzle points? Sparkleshine?
T-dazzle!
(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "DR. STRANGELOVE")
STERLING HAYDEN: (As General Jack D. Ripper) Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation - fluoridation of water?
PETER SELLERS: (As Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake) Yes, I have heard of that, Jack. Yes.
DALLEK: The Birch Society argued that fluoride in the drinking water was a massive wedge for socialized medicine, which was spoofed in the Stanley Kubrick film, "Dr. Strangelove."
(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "DR. STRANGELOVE")
HAYDEN: (As General Jack D. Ripper) Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?
All those MAGAs thinking it will save government money and that the citizens will see that savings. Even if the savings was fully passed to the general public, it's going to be very tiny.