Trump is suddenly bleeding independents. A brutal new poll shows why.
Trump is suddenly bleeding independents. A brutal new poll shows why.
Summary
A genuine backlash to Trump’s ethno-nationalist authoritarianism may be starting to take shape on its own terms.
The Washington Post-ABC News poll shows “Trump slipping underwater on immigration, which has been his best issue,” with 56% of independents disapproving of his handling.
Only 21% of independents want wrongfully deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia to remain imprisoned. These policies “raise basic issues of fundamental fairness, due process, and the rule of law.”
Trump’s lawlessness across the board is clearly a problem, reinforcing the view he’s engaged in rampant extralegal abuses of power.
Oh he's bleeding independents. I misread that. It cheered up me for a second.
"independent" rarely means leftist. It usually means "Republican but not proud to wear the label", like libertarian.
After Harris went AWOL after the election I now consider myself an independent leftist, I don’t belong anywhere right now, dems hate that I think is bullshit harris isn’t leading a resistance and I’m obviously not conservative, at all, so… I’m an independent for right now, I think a lot of people are right now but haven’t embraced it.
I've been calling myself an independent since the election.
I would consider myself one as well, but there's not that many of us
How fucking stupid were these independents 6 months ago?
Who are these "independents"? Because if they're dumb enough to float over to fascism on a whim, we need to have a talk.
A majority of registered voters in the US have no party affiliation actually.
How was anyone expecting the guy who openly tried to steal an election after losing to be anything but lawless?
You don't even have to think that hard into it. The man is litterally a convicted felon. The only reason he isn't in jail is Biden's DoJ wasn't as aggressive as it could have been.
Biden's DOJ: People will respect us for being non-partisan
People: See, if Trump did any real crimes he'd be in prison but he's not because Biden's DOJ was just playing politics
The mass media, even so called lefty MSNBC which is center at best. Though usually pretty solid right. Didn't cover it with the appropriate tone or seriousness it deserved. MSNBC did at least start out that way and tried before giving up. The rest of the media never did. And so there was 4 years of largely rehab to trumps image. The simple fact that he incited a coup wasn't brought up much for fear of losing access.
And so, people started to question their own eyes. Question whether there was actually really a coup or not. If it was just being blown out of proportion like conservatives blow fluoride in the water out of proportion. If the popular media isn't going to treat it like it's serious why would the average consumer of popular media?
Hell so much of the media spent so much more time covering Republican false accusations of Democrats smuggling in immigrants to hurt America. Suddenly the truth became lies and lies became the truth.
And before you admonish and ridicule these people for not going to such and such website to get the truth etc. A lot of people don't get their information and news online still. Relying on the completely captured 4th estate to report on and distill even news happening online down for them. And this is the power of control and propaganda. For a short while at least perception can be reality. We need to spend less time haranguing and attacking people who mistakenly voted for trump. Instead trying to find a way to disarm and defeat the captured fourth estate.
And before you admonish and ridicule these people for not going to such and such website to get the truth etc.
Clearly everyone who isn't getting their news from Lemmy is irresponsible!
Sure, there are valid complaints about the media, but anyone who heard Trump say
I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have
and still voted for him had everything they needed to know better, and who didn't hear that excerpt from the Raffensperger call?
Tried? He and Melon definitely did so.
It was "aspirational"
What a mamby pamby headline -- "trump is killing the economy, turning the country into a police state regime and independents kinda are noticing"
WTF ?? 40+ % agree with him? How can this country be like that?
ANYONE who supported him or voted for him or helped him get elected is a racist, a bigot and/or a misogynist--- I don't go for this "oh, a lot of people didn't know what he would do" bullsh!t.
This is why I tell people MAKE A LIST of everyone you know or know of that helped this madman, soon enough a lot of them are going to try and pretend they didn't and we can't let them.
I want to see the Latino community take revenge of these morons who helped him get elected. I want the families of these people snatched off the streets confronting them. I want to see these morons who helped him get elected because Joe Biden wasn't reacting the way they wanted on Gaza to go to Gaza and explain to them that they had to show Biden who was boss and help a man who wants to see them all dead become President.
WTF ?? 40+ % agree with him? How can this country be like that?
These 40% of people simply don't see any criticism of their Dear Leader, they self-select their media sources and those sources tell an entirely different story. I call it the Conservative Cinematic Universe....
Thanks, Madame Defarge.
Only 21% of independents want wrongfully deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia to remain imprisoned.
Translation: 21% of independents are a**holes.
There was a different AP/NORC poll (arc) released the same day that showed this basic dynamic but with the partisan ratios even more out of whack
Damn, OP. Stop giving me false hope!
Stupid fucking cunts.
BuT RoSs UlBrIcHt aNd CrYpTo!
It makes sense, he doesn't need independents anymore. In fact, if he holds on to power past 2028, he won't need any votes at all to do it.
Stop this rhetoric. We won't allow this to happen. You're normalizing the outrageous.
The outrageous is happening right now. This is just one more item on the list.
... I said "if". And you don't need me to normalize the outrageous, those 70+ million people who voted for the guy already did.
How do you plan to stop it, bucko. Same way you stopped him from destroying the department of education and sending a couple million student loans to collections?
You’re normalizing the outrageous.
Yes let's keep victim blaming.
They have the memory of a goldfish, but they aren't evil.
And the backbone of a slug.
With all the constitution and laws I find it scary that america cannot (or does not want to) stop the monster they hired for their president.
The Constitution and laws are just letters written on paper. They don't actually do anything unless enough people take real risks and sacrifices to act on them.
Oh no a new poll shows fascism isn't popular?
the view
Fucking… it’s not a view. He IS.
Because he's insane?