[PSA] If things start feeling too toxic around here, remember that the 'block' button is your friend and always there for you.
[PSA] If things start feeling too toxic around here, remember that the 'block' button is your friend and always there for you.
I get it. There's some real jerks around here. Whether they're constantly argumentative, downright rude, always acting in bad faith, just plain trolls, overly opinionated on every subject, have the social skills of a Nausicaan, or whatever - the Fediverse is growing, and it's bound to attract toxicity in one way or another.
This post is mostly a PSA for anyone who's feeling like leaving because they're tired of dealing with things like that. I've been there several times myself, I know exactly how you feel, and I'm tired of seeing good people harassed off the platform.
Just remember that blocking is a very powerful way to stay in control of your experience. Be it a set of users, me specifically, a list of keywords, a whole community, or an entire instance: if it's causing you nothing but stress, hit that block button and see if that improves your experience here. Unlike the alien site, there is no limit to the number of entities you can block; you're in control.
Another thing to keep in mind is different instances have different vibes, and the experience can totally differ depending on the instance's moderation and federation policy.
In conclusion, your experience here can be what you make of it; don't be afraid to just block the parts that stress you out. You're not "creating an echo chamber" as everyone likes to say (often in bad faith) -- you're just taking care of yourself.
Also, voyager lets you tag users which is a godsend.
If I notice someone who is unnecessarily rude, dodgy opinions, bigoted or something, I add a tag, and if I see it is constant repetitive behaviour, I’ll block them.
Thunder too, installed it specifically for user tags!
Boost has user tagging as well.
Only issue is the tag and report dialogs look exactly alike and multiple times I've unknowingly clicked report in error. I'm kinda surprised I never got criticised for abusing the report function when all I've written is "pro-russia" or "idiot"
I never realized that Thunder has something for it, because there is zero UI for it as far as i can see. There is just the list in the settings that you can manually add people to. This doesnt do anything however... I expected the label to show up next to the username or something but it just doesnt.
I recently had someone I already had tagged as "racist" replying to me with some misogyny, clicked on his profile and found him defending the R slur. Because instances are smaller, it's actually feasible to message instance admins when there is someone like that too.
You can also track aggregate up and down votes per user! You're a solid +13 for me, you're cool.
I'm on Thunder and I just labeled you as "taught me that users can be labeled"
Why give people a second chance to hurt you? Just block away!
Boost too
How do you add a tag? I'm on voyager and can't see the option. Sorry for my ignorance!
Edit. Ignore me - someone asked and answered further down the thread.
Filters are nice too, if you're here for escapism rather than news.
Currently, only lemmy apps support keyword filtering. But on lemmy 1.0 we're going to get proper keyword filters :DDDD
Musk agree with this, filters work wonders.
I tried filters on other platforms, the results weren't that good. Yes, you blocked a word, but people often use images with text for some reason, and filters don't work with them.
I'm only here for politics about to put "puppy" on my filter
honestly too much cute shit weirdly ruins it, like loops is all peoples pets and im over it
Better put owl and cat on there too while you're at it
How do you do this - I think I need this
I'd add "report" to that advice. If somebody is outright being jerks, that is probably against your instance's rules — and if it isn't, there are plenty others to choose from.
Blocking helps you, but reporting people (or instances) that are just here to troll will help others.
I read all reports on my instance (i get reports on our users and from our users, too; so i see quite a lot) rest assured, all your reports actually do something.
True. If it's report-worthy, absolutely. But there are certainly accounts that aren't violating any rules but can still be a source of stress. Those are often the "rules lawyer" type who knows exactly how to stay right on the line without crossing it.
Counterpoint is that if that person is finally banned, they're 9 times out of 10 just going to spin up a new alt and start back up with the same shtick. If everyone just blocks them, they're just shouting into the wind wondering why no one's taking their bait. I dislike how Reddit had "shadow bans", but I can see how they would be effective when used surgically.
I agree with this 100%. The mods can't get rid of the bad guys if they don't know about them. There are very few mods for relatively big communities, help them out if you see something going bad. They might not agree with you, but it's still good practice if people aren't following the rules.
Agreed. I report bad behavior where I see it. I've only blocked one person, becausen they took a downvote as a personal attack and started DMing me.
You're very right. Blocking when they are being an asshole is just putting your head in the sand. It might feel petty but remember that others are probably also impacted by their shitty behaviour.
The biggest toxicity comes from the tank triad. I have blocked them and now it is peaceful.
That's like the "install uBlock Origin" first step as far as I'm concerned lol.
Yup. Learned it the hard way. My first account was with lemmy.ml and it got banned because of criticizing China. I consider myself leftist and the amount of censorship the tank triad do to ensure China numba wan is mind numbing.
Who are the tank triad?
Lemmy.ml Lemmygrad Hexbear
Basically the 3 far left instances that will enforce the discourse to be Marxist and anti-west.
Most instances are defederated from the latter two but not the first because that instance is run by the main Lemmy devs (who are communists)
In conclusion, your experience here can be what you make of it; don’t be afraid to just block the parts that stress you out. You’re not “creating an echo chamber” as everyone likes to say (often in bad faith) – you’re just taking care of yourself.
We really, REALLY need to de-stigmatize blocking people. Bad-faith concern trolls have successfully convinced people that "choosing not to interact with someone" is akin to censorship and also bad for us because what do you MEAN you don't want to be disrespected by a complete stranger? Are you creating an echo chamber by preferring to be with people who are nice to you?!?!?!?
Like. No. Fuck off. That's not how it works in real life. We're not friends. We're not even co-workers for me to be stuck having to be polite to you even if you're an asshole.
You're a complete stranger and you're saying rude shit at me (or even at other people with me bearing witness), at best I'll walk away because I don't need that shit, at worst I'll call you a wanker and hit you in the face.
I know for a fact I'm opinionated, and don't have problems sharing them.
Please, by all means, block me if you think seeing my comments is adversely affecting you. I'd rather be ignored by someone than make their day worse (unless they're actively trying to make others miserable, but that's a separate discussion)
The fediverse has definitely gotten a little less hostile after blocking a few things.
And remember you can jump ship to another instance at any time! I've hopped a few times but for now my instance is filling my needs without much drama that I am aware of.
I think it's less about having strong opinions and more with how those are expressed. But either way, you're here with a good attitude, and that's appreciated.
I quickly went over your comment history of the last 30 days and you have almost no downvotes. You are a wholesome person and I'm glad you are here!
I never thought I needed to block any user, because, you know, I'm a big kid and I can handle any of the dirty words. Turns out, there are just reavers out there in space with their cores exposed just letting the hatred and radiation wash over them. I have all this empathy and I know they were once people and maybe they can be redeemed, but no. They are reavers. Block and move on with caution.
I've blocked communities and instances that don't speak English, ones that have absurd ideological basis (anarchy supporters), and occasionally people who just say really dumb things, a lot.
I vastly prefer encouraging blocking over censorship/moderation. If someone is being an asshole, having the ability to say it, vent those feelings for a moment, then readjust is a catharsis that's been nearly outlawed especially on platforms
onlike TikTok.Obviously not everything should be permitted and everything has its limits, but the internet seems to over correct things into a passionless husk of forced friendliness. To shove people into forming a facade that feels like a shrinking cage. Sterile.
Curating my own experience has been invaluable and I highly encourage it.
absurd ideological basis (anarchy supporters)
I am not a community but can you please add me to your list
This wasn't an open invitation for everyone to out themselves but sure, take care.
Additional PSA to admins not running a "universal free speech" instance- if you see someone someone being obnoxious it's probably annoying your users just as much as is is you. Don't put the onus fully on users to curate their experience. The Fediverse needs our adults in the room!
Im a big believer in block. I think its better for people to peruse all and block communities they are uninterested in and you should totally block users you don't like. To me it should be like real life. Don't hang with folks you don't like. My hope for the fediverse is instances that only remove things to stay out of legal trouble and communities that only block things that are unrelated. I want all the big tools to be at the user level. Bottom up.
Make sure to also report the people you see being toxic, astroturfing, or downright attacking users. Many instances have policies against this and reporting them will increase the likelihood they'll be dealt with, in some cases permanently.
This is something that should be discussed more since blocking is not a moderation function that makes the platform better, it's a tool for people to pretend the problems don't exist. I'm not a fan of pretending issues don't exist, especially since I'm a mod and that would be insanely counter-productive.
Oh, yeah, that goes without saying. Report anyone whose behavior warrants it. I'm just mainly reminding people that blocking can be a way to take control of your experience. It took me a while to fully appreciate the block button and get over my FOMO (in the earlier days of Lemmy, blocking even a few people would cut down the amount of content drastically; thankfully that's no longer the case).
Semi-specific (but still intentionally vague) example for "block" candidates are some accounts that even the mods are like "Look, I don't like them either, but they're not breaking any rules". But, in general, just don't be afraid to block what or whoever stresses you out.
By all means, use the block feature to remove stressors if it helps.
For me personally, unless someone is actively haranguing me in DMs I'd rather not block them. Sure people can place comments that get me riled up. Or sometimes they seem downright hostile. Maybe they're having a bad day, you can't say. But it goes both ways, if I'm tired or having a bad day I could be misinterpreting people's comments and blocking them for no reason.
If a comment is so bad/rude it becomes rule-breaking I'd rather report it and have a moderator tell them off, it might be a valuable lesson for them or if they are repeat offenders the mods can dish out appropriate punishment. This keeps the instance and community in question healthy.
Is it the people that are toxic? Or is it the world or a living in right now?
That’s one of the benefits of the smaller community here too, the block button actually feels like it does something. If you’re frustrated by comments that add nothing to anything or are fishing for drama etc, a short commitment to blocking repeat offenders really improves things quickly
Yes and no.
I am a big fan of block buttons and use them quite liberally (if someone responds to me in a manner that makes it clear they have no intention of having a conversation? I never see them ever again).
But the problem is that it only blocks it for the user who blocks them. So harassment is still a thing and now even fewer people are likely to flag it for moderation (to the extent that works).
There is obviously room for abuse but I am a firm believer that any block feature must be bidirectional. If user A blocks user B then A and B can no longer see each other or interact. Which would be a fundamental lemmy feature which makes things difficult.
But "just block them" is good for people who are annoying. Not for people who are abusive. And while the latter isn't SUPER common on lemmy, there are still a good number of people who respond to the simplest of things with "Fuck you you fucking moron and you should go kill yourself"
Block users and instances (although blocking instances just blocks the topic posts from that instance, not all the users from that instance).
Wish instance blocking actually blocked properly. But the main devs know everyone would block the tanky triad immediately and they'd have no one to troll.
Instance blocking works on:
- PieFed
- the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect
- instance admins who can choose to defederate
- someone willing to go deep and make a custom web browser filter (presumably like Ublock Origin I would guess)
Nothing else works.
I have blocked a few communities which I have really enjoyed. I think there is definitely a different but freeing experience to be in charge of curating your experience instead of algorithms doing it for you. It's more work but the freedom is nice but making the constant choice feels hard.
I use the block button like hideki kamiya uwu
Thanks for reminding the people arguing with me, personally im going to just let them deal with me
What I read to do is to call them out, report them, then block them. They need to know they’re being mean.
Thank you! I try to exercise caution for myself of am I just off put by this or is this truly uncessary behavior, and I'm glad the option to judge for myself is available.
Block is useless on lemmy. They can still cause a nuisance. Just becuase you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there..
The point of my post is protecting one's own mental health. I'm not here to police the Fediverse. Report people if it's warranted, block if they're a source of stress or make the place unenjoyable.