Judge in Abrego Garcia case says there’s no evidence Trump administration is following her orders | CNN Politics
Judge in Abrego Garcia case says there’s no evidence Trump administration is following her orders | CNN Politics
This is precisely what contempt is for.
That’s what the article states. She’s mandating two weeks of intense discovery, which will lead to contempt of court if they cannot prove they have done everything in their power to return him.
Honest question: if the administration's defense is shrugging because he's in another country, doesn't the judge have an easy layup to shut down CECOT deportations?
They can't have it both ways, either follow due process or keep your slave detention camps domestic. It's not interfering in foreign policy to point out they need to choose.
How can they be found in contempt when they were never out of contempt.
They don't care what judges say. The judges are just NOW finding that out?
In the legal system, far more things get reversed due to procedural issues than on merit. Generally, this is a good thing. A judge should not be able to hand out punishment on a whim.
As with most protections, fascists destroy the ones that limit them and cling to those that benefit them.
Not only is there no evidence they're following her order, there is proactive evidence of them defying her order.
The article is actually really badly written because it completely ignores a key point. The Supreme court itself said that the government needed to act internationally. It's there in the text of the decision.
In other words, this isn't the government against some low-level judge. It's Trump telling the Supreme Court to go to hell. I hope some judges somewhere will actually stand up and lock people up for depriving people of their civil rights, but so far it doesn't look like any of them have the courage to do so.
This whole case has collapsed into a handful of choices:
- Judge doesn't declare the Trump admin in Contempt of Court (i.e. does nothing). This sets precedent that Trump's administration enjoys full immunity from the judiciary, officially turning the US into a dictatorship. This is what has been happening for weeks and remains by far the most likely scenario.
- Judge declares Trump in Contempt of Court, but is unable to enforce it. This is equivalent to scenario 1.
- Judge declares the Trump admin in Contempt of Court and deputizes state police to enforce the ruling and arrest, if not Trump, at least some officials. This would be legal and remains the only constitutional solution, but would almost certainly trigger an armed response from the regime. Democracy doesn't go down without a fight, but the end result is uncertain.
- Pro-democracy factions use illegal/violent means to force Trump to comply (military coup, sudden Luigi's Mansion remake, etc.). However it would seem that the masks fell off and despite decades of propaganda to the contrary, literally not a single living American is willing to put their life on the line to protect Democracy.
- Admin complies
- Abrego suddenly ends up dead during that time. Essentially means admin would be complying.
Because they made the poor and uneducated afraid. That's why all the guns. Fear of that which they do not understand. They were fed endless propaganda about how Trump cares for the working class. Republican Corporate media let them keep their guns as long as they had an enemy to point them at that wasn't them. Keep them scared and afraid of their allies, their fellow working class.
- Dude's dead and has been
OK, now what?
No kidding your honor. The question is what exactly are you or any other judge going to do about it?
I don't mean that in a Trump is right kind of way. I mean it in a this is something the judiciary needs to be seriously looking into sooner rather than later.
They obviously aren't, and have defied every court at every turn when presented with lawful orders in this matter.
Trump is a criminal, no one should be surprised that he is ignoring the rule of law.
I’ve got an idea! Let’s sit around jerking each other off for two weeks while we build a case that Trump will just ignore anyways! Who’s with me (besides the Court)???
This guy’s already dead.
Court: issues order
Trump Admin: flat out says they will not follow the orders
Court: I don't think the admin is following my orders.
Contempt of court when?
Doesn't matter, they'll ignore that too.
They need to have the bailiff already standing behind the regime lawyers right when it's declared.
No shit?
Give them two weeks to do something. We'll see, then what if they don't provide? Another 2 weeks? They will just say he is dead or died in transit and it's out of their hands. Then what happens? Let me guess.
Fucking nothing.
Wake up. Your courts haven't been able to help you long before the cheeto was in power and was flaunting his many felonies. The courts literally gave him unlimited power already. There have been zero repercussions for him his entire life while you all cheered him on and brought him to power not once but twice.
all
In 2022 there were 161.42 million eligible voters in the US (latest number I could find)
Trump got 77,284,118 votes
There is 340.1 million people in the US.
I'd say that far from all.
But otherwise yeah I already know the Supreme Court pretty much gave him unlimited power.
Yes all. No one stood up or this guy would not be in office. Like you said above only 77,000,000 voted for him. And the other 263 million allowed those few fascist lovers even have a say.
He was honest and open (oddly enough) about his plans for dictatorship years in advance. Your complete society allowed this to happen. No one could have stopped it but the citizens of your country. No one can still stop it but you. Yet in years of knowing no one has organized any resistance at all. Again allowing it to happen.
He put his Nazi goons in your capitol buildings and still no one did anything. He stacked your top court with fellow fascists. He was convicted of dozens of crimes. He's flaunted the law his entire life. He's been a grifter and a cheat his entire life but you all have him one of the most popular tv shows of its time and thus a very loud voice within your celebrity culture that dominates your news cycles. You propped up his celebrity status and cheered him on for being a dickhead to people. You've watched him openly destroy his own businesses and bank accounts on whims multiple times yet remain extremely wealthy. No one did anything the entire time. You continue to put celebrities on pedestals and declare them higher than the rest of society because they're famous and rich and gwne they do things that affect or harm others they are allowed to walk free because they're famous. But you made them that way, only you can stop it.
Yes I blame American society as a whole, and that includes you, for encouraging and allowing this to happen from the very beginning.
the courts need to form a militaristic arm to carry out their needs.
They have the Marshals, and the judge could indeed order a government official arrested.
The Orange Turd is a criminal. I would expect nothing less from him.