Funniest part is: they can't even agree internally on how to believe
Funniest part is: they can't even agree internally on how to believe
time to create a polytheistic religion with 3 gods; Adonai, God, and Allah... it'll unify those three religions into being confused and uncomfortable about my religion.
destroy all abrahamic religions for the future of humanity
if only
but didn't he free the slaves?
happy Pesach and all that
Jews don’t give a shit, it’s the Christian’s and Muslims who make the wars
Umm. Palestine?
Oh right. Not a war. Just a genocide.
zionism is at best a seller settler colonial project with a crude façade of "religion".
So many jews denounce it,
i get it that you can point to extremists in any group and it shouldn't be used as a case to demonize the whole religion.
not all Muslims are terrorists, same way that not all Christians are MAGA, or all Jews are Zionists.
those extremists will bend whatever faith system they gave access to to fuel their violence.
Muslims aren’t supposed to care, they’re supposed to view the other two as “almost Muslim”
100% true lol
It's all about who the most important prophet is, and anyone that disagrees is wrong and we hate them.
Religion is wild.
Actually the hate is mutual. Muslims hate Christians and Jews, but Jews deffinetly hate Muslims and Christians and Christians hate Muslims and Jews. Abrahamic religions are the doom of the humanity.
Al-andaluz my beloved
Oh look, a circle jerk.
rELiGiOn bAD!
Christians believe Jesus is god and have a Trinity thing going on.
Jews and Muslims have an entirely different concept of god than modern day Christians.
There is at least one Christian religion that believes Jesus is below God, while believing he is the Messiah, Gods son, and much of the rest of the Christian beliefs (Jehovah's Witnesses). They don't believe in the Trinity. Holy Ghost/Spirit is just a tool like the force to them, not a distinct person
Wait until you hear about Christians' conflicts with other Christians! Also a lot of Islamist terror is directed at Muslims who follow Mohammed's teachings the wrong way.
Was flabbergasted when I found out that there was a straight up murderous hate between different sets of Christianity. You can tell the book is the perfect word of a divine being, since it spawned so many different mutually exclusive interpretations
I dont think any Christian who has a sliver of religious education considers the bible to be the word of God. For starters some of the Gospels that are canon already start with an explanation that this is a recollected account. Then there is other chapters like the letters to the Romans and so on. As for the Torah it is also clear that it is containing some revelations but also a lot of interpretation and chronicles.
This is fundamentally different to the Quran, which we Muslims believe to be the word of God as revealed to the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) and preserved in full and in the original Arabic language. Also Muslims are obliged to treat Christians and Jews (people of the book) kindly and respectfully, unless persecuted or attacked by them.
There have been actual crusades inside europe against the 'wrong' type of christians
There are hundreds (likely actually thousands) of Christian denominations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
Gonna need a lot more arms.
Jews don't really hate anyone for not believing in their God. Unlike Christianity and Islam, Jews don't believe that everyone has to follow their religion. They don't really believe in Heaven and Hell, and they don't proselytize to people who aren't already Jews. Judaism is for the Jewish people and that's it.
Yeah, the religion with the "chosen people" . Yep. Definitely tolerant of non-believers.
God's wrath? This only is directed at believers right?
Lol
Jews are welcome to believe in whatever they like provided they're not hurting anyone, but let's not pretend their religion as written, or hell even widely practiced, is somehow more tolerant compared to other religions.
Gittin 57a:3-4
“Onkelos then went and raised Jesus the Nazarene from the grave through necromancy… What is the punishment of that man, a euphemism for Jesus himself, in the next world? Jesus said to him: He is punished with boiling excrement. As the Master said: Anyone who mocks the words of the Sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement. And this was his sin, as he mocked the words of the Sages. The Gemara comments: Come and see the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the nations of the world."A few things here-
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The Talmud isn't the same as Christian Scripture and this isn't something all Jews will see and say "Yeah that's what I believe and it's super cool."
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Jesus's "crime" here is being a Jewish heretic and leading other Jews astray. It's not because he's a different religion. During the time of Jesus, most non-Jews were polytheistic Pagans, and they didn't really have a problem with other people practicing their religion. The issue the author takes with Jesus is precisely because he was a Jew and not a gentile.
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Damn, that's crazy. I've never heard of this. Got any other cool, obscure "scripture?"
Edit: after looking it up, I think the part right after is just as interesting:
The Gemara comments: Come and see the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the nations of the world. As Balaam, who was a prophet, wished Israel harm, whereas Jesus the Nazarene, who was a Jewish sinner, sought their well-being.
No, but a key tenet is the belief that Jews have a "higher purpose" in life than gentiles, and unfortunately this manifests as ethno-religious supremacy in the more conservative circles. A lot of the rhetoric surrounding Gaza is that Jews have a biblical right to the land over...the people that actually live there.
maybe I'm naive but that concept "or la'olam" translates to " light to the world"
i grew up thinking it meant that we have the obligation to be a source of good to the world, like we don't have a responsibility to be good to ourselves but to the whole world, we need to become scientists, engineers, .... we aren't superior to anyone, but we've been chosen to dedicate our lives to improve the world.
however in many conservatives circles that is interpreted as being superior and that everyone else will eventually accept it and they will willingly become our slaves. it's insane how the same concept is interpreted so differently.
Interesting. That's almost the opposite of Baha'is. Baha'is don't proselytize because everyone is a Baha'i. They just haven't discovered it for themselves yet, and they have to do that, it's not the job of the Baha'is to do anything but live the best way they can. Their "Kingdom of God," or afterlife is also distinctly different from the concept of Heaven and Hell as well.
The Dome of the Rock seems to be claimed by all three. Abraham attempted to sacrifice his son there, before he was stopped. Muhammed's ascent to heaven took place there (figuratively, not literally), and Jesus threw the moneymen out of the temple at that location.
I always wondered what is so special about that location.
Islam and Judaism: this place is holy for important religious reasons
Christianity: this place rocks because Jesus beat up greedy capitalists.
Muhammed's ascent to heaven took place there (figuratively, not literally)
Just looked it up, Muhammed died in Medina. I kind of assumed he died somewhere in the the vicinity of Jerusalem and that's why his name is connected with the Dome of the Rock
dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Ask Jews and Muslims if they believe in the trinity. It's not the same god.
They all claim to believe in the god of Abraham so they are stuck with each other while disagreeing on fundamental stuff.
that's like saying Toby Maguire and Tom Holland are Spiderman.
yes, they both are the same character, but different interpretations made by different people with different contexts.
this is the dumbest thing I've said which I think is sort of correct
The Trinity isn't actually fundamental, it's just a syncretic cope. The fundamentals are the same, everyone who doesn't believe in your god is subhuman and deserves to be conquered for their "own good" but at least they aren't women.
Just because only one group believes that Jesus was God doesn’t mean it isn’t the same God.
So starting from a schizophrenic as the lineal foundation resulted in a three headed god concept never contained in any canonical part of their book, the mulligan do-overs completely disconnected from their ancient ways, and the other brother magic tripping LSD globe trotter of the desert. Does that surprise anyone. What is surprising to me is that something so obviously nonsense is still so accepted.
I view it as slightly better than that interpretation. The Old Testament is what links the three. The interesting thing about the Old Testament is that it was written over a few thousand years starting around the time of two major historical events that could have precipitated what would look like a potential "apocalypse," to anyone at the time.
The Green Sahara period had just come to an end, denying Egypt what I would imagine was a substantial breadbasket for the Egyptian, and possibly Assyrian Empires. That event may not have directly caused The Bronze age collapse, but they happened quickly enough together, that I would imagine it was a factor.
So in a period of a few hundred years, a savannah that had plentiful game and foraging turned into the largest desert in the world. The Levant went from a seemingly temperate mediterranian climate, aka "the promised land," to a desert mediterranian climate. All the empires that you know of just collapsed in a period of 150 years. You might just get a bit superstitious, and borrow some ancient creation myths to write down the "history" of your people.
Lots of cultures did this. We know from archeological evidence that the Israelites weren't ever in Egypt, so everything up to, and including Moses, was made up to try to teach their descendants how to live in this new horrible dying world. It's just absolute random chance that the Israelite texts survived long enough to spawn the other two belief systems.
The green Sahara was gone 5 000 years ago when Egypt barely started being Egypt and long before Assyria, the Bronze Age Collapse happened 3 200 years ago, and the Old Testament started getting written a bit before 600 BCE over a few hundred years. The Egyptians and Assyrians already had their breadbasket, it was the fertile crescent from the Nile to the Tigris and Euphrates, it was not a desert there.
The israelite texts survived because they were written right when some big empires (Babylon and the Achaemenids) came around and then carried them over until the Greeks and Romans came by.
in my personal edgy opinion, religions are a cope & a great tool of control.
They give you hope against the biggest fear ingrained in us - death, and even worse - death being equal for everyone, good person, bad person, both will die. It's a nice thought to believe that there is fairness to it all, that good actions should be done despite bad actions being easier. It's a nice thought to believe there is something else after you die, and none of your good (or bad) deeds go unnoticed, that you, a good person, will live in paradise, and your enemies will finally suffer the consequences of what they've done.
it also helps bring people together, creates a unified peoppe and a culture of those who believe in the same thing & allows a potential leader to have an easier time rallying everyone towards the same goal.
religion is a wonderful tool for both coping with existential dread, and unifying people. but as a tool it has the capacity for explaining away both good and bad things quite equally (helping poor, crusades, personal growth, bigotry).
what relgion is based on is close to irrelevant, it just has to be something, preferably a good overall story with many smaller stories that teach the common folk how to be a good [insert religious identity]. Try reading ancient Egyptian mythology, i suspect most of that shit was written on heavy doses of psychedelics, and despite how completely insane all of it is - it unified people and was an integral part of the biggest empire of the ancient times.
honestly i don't want to "debunk" people's religions, if it's something that keeps them going then why take it away, i personally tried but failed multiple times at believing in any god, but i can't lie the existential dread of "one day i will die, no matter how much i managed to achieve, no matter how good of a person i was, i will die the same as every murderer or war criminal, and there will be no justice in that, and then, one day my name will be spoken for the last time, and i will be forgotten" is a heavy thought to bear, no wonder that as a species we've always tried to find some reason, any reason, for that not being the case
They give you hope against the biggest fear ingrained in us - death, and even worse - death being equal for everyone, good person, bad person, both will die.
Or they teach us to fear death. Nothing to worry about death unless you will live afterwards forever and take your memories with you. Now you have to make good memories soon.
30 year war entering the chat.
I'm always weirded out by this because... I mean, from my perspective it's a made up deity anyway, so the idea that they're all worshiping the same one seems a bit needless to me, like nerds trying to reconcile stories from different authors into the same canon.
It's not like they concede that any other deities or metaphisical constructs are more real just because they aren't nominally based on the same entity. These are all exclusive, monotheist religions.
Think of it as fanfic from the same origin that has been lost in time.
Humans are tribal. They need a us and them. Then and now. Look around. It is everywhere.
It demonstrates that they worship the Dogma more than the deity
Simple trick: "If you don't do exactly as our religion says, you're blaspheming god".
I fail to understand why, in religion as in politics by the way, differences and disagreements should be a problem. Diversity is a strength!
Because there is a bunch of old books that say so.
You obviously didn't read the Bible, you can't find two pages that agree with each other, and that didn't bother the redactors of the Bible.
That's how I view different religions. Each one has one part of a big picture and a bunch of extra fluff. The trouble is that people tend to think that the extra fluff is just as important as the core message, and religions as a organizations encourage it.
I like to compare religions to languages. They are tools to speak about the unspeakable, but they don't necessary oppose each other when they have different doctrines, like French doesn't oppose English when it calls “maison” what English calls “house”.
By definition, God is a reality that exists outside time and space, there's no way our mind can define it. But like you need a language to speak, you need to practice a religion to develop your spirituality, even if you know that your religion is not the only way to develop it. You can also speak more than one language, and you can practice more than one religion, but it's harder.
Idiots want to dominante I guess. Smart people want to learn. They are not smart.