As much as I resent religion, I do believe it's fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.
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That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.
Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.
ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people "strawman". It's easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can't just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can't say feminists are hateful crazies.
The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
And 'assholes' just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people's minds and thereby their behavior. "Some people are just 'assholes', what are you gonna do?"
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can't change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.
Not all beliefs are equal. If you hold by a holy text that says that women can (and should) be bought and sold or are otherwise 'lesser' than men, or you revere an imbecilic demagogue who claims that all immigrants are rapists, murderers and gang members, then yes, the "culture" of your group will have a higher probability of any given person being an asshole than a group of randomly-selected Humanists, for example. To equivocate that all belief systems are equal from a moral perspective is deeply naive.
ETA: I am not a humanist, because I believe that there is a point at which violence is necessary and justified to protect other lives and the rights thereof.
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally.
If you agree that bad ideas can be part of cultures (large or small) to a higher or lesser degree, it follows that some cultures have a higher frequency of people with the need for the individual 'education' you're suggesting.
Is that Elon
3 of these are real examples things the people on the right did, the last is a meme made to make fun of feminists. Don't get me wrong, there's a level of feminism that goes too far, I just have yet to see an example of this in real life. There's something about women in general that makes society eager dismiss them offhand as silly and ridiculous whenever they have opinions.
That something is patriarchy.
So you've never met a TERF in real life?
I think the term mostly refers to bigots. Most "TERFs" aren't even radfems, they just use "protecting women" as an excuse for their bigotry.
There are some women like that in real life actually
The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent
well you can find them on social media hating on women instead. a lot of early atheist youtubers went on to become gamergaters.
or look at a popular one like Dawkins who is busy being a transphobe nowadays. imagine being an atheist and wasting the remainder of your precious and only life trying to make the precious and only life of the most marginalized people in society even worse.
or sam harris who literally defended torture.
Many atheists take part in racism and violence. There was plenty during the Cold War, collapse of Yugoslavia, Gulf War, post-9/11 and both Trump terms.
Yeah but they don't do it in the name of atheism. Being an atheist doesn't mean you can't be a cunt just the same as being religious doesn't mean you can't be a cunt.
There are a lot of edgy athiests using all their time attacking trans people these days, because an unfortunate number of them are mainly athiests as a way to hate Muslims. And the ones taking the time to attack trans people have almost all joined the alt right, which has been responsible for a lot of attacks on innocent people.
They may not be killing in the name of atheism, but they have been in the same of "reason" and "defence of women".
No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don't think exists?
Since we are already being unhelpful: Atheist don't all are unsure about if God exists. Some may believe God does not exist, some don't care. Some believers might be unsure or don't care either.
being unsure or uncaring is supposed to be agnosticism, though. atheism is an outright rejection of the possibility. (this is NOT a commentary on if one is more correct than the other.)
People hate on fictional characters all the time though.
I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.
There is a difference between god as a character and God as a concept; the former one is (in my belief) nonexistent, the latter exists as long as his worshipper worship him.
The correct word would be "antitheist"
Then you just hate theists
That's as may be, but that's not the word that was used in the meme.
I dunno. I'm not entirely an atheist (my religion is blasphemy. If the gods exist, they like a target) but I can hate something I don't think exists. Some of those deities are godsdamned genocidal maniacs and pedophiles.
The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.
I vote OP take the meme down and repost it with Shiela Jeffries or Camille Paglia replacing the feminist..
The number of assholes calling themselves feminists vastly outnumber the actual feminists. They have lost control of the word.
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actually dangerous white supremacist
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guy in a ninja costume with a knife
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weird meme
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completely made up stereotype
1/4: do better next time!
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Sorry for the autism :)
Why is the bottom right picture done like that, it looks like these feminists just want to be more like men.
Why am I saying this? Because that position of the arm is there to show a bulging contracted bicep. Women have a lot less muscle there, so it doesn't make sense.
Wouldn't feminism be better when striving for things that women are naturally better at than men.
We don't need to do the same stuff, everyone can do what they want.
But don't make a fish climb a tree. Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
And for women, being physically strong will usually be less attainable. Obviously there are exceptions. When I was 65 kg I could deadlift 140 kg, so a lot of muscle isn't actually needed for strength, but still you get what I'm saying.
This type of stuff, as I was growing up, made me actually believe men and women were the same.
After years of talking extensively to men and women, I can assure you that's not the case.
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
/End autistic rant
If you’d like a bit of a read, the character portrayed there is named Rosie the Riveter.
It’s definitely a wartime relic, but the history behind it is very interesting!
I forgive you your autism lol, I was raised very similarly especially because I had three sporty sisters (much sportier than I was).
Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
That's what happens if you remove sex barriers for work. For instance, most people could not be firefighters regardless of their sex or hormonal makeup. In fact most men do not have what it takes to be a firefighter. But some men do, and some women also do. And most importantly, these men and women have the drive and motivation to become good at it.
I'm not even saying there are the same amount of qualified candidates between men and women, but there are enough in both groups that it makes sense not to limit applications along lines of sex or gender.
Of course it shouldn't be limited. Sometimes it feels like they are shoving women in the direction of being more like men. Which I find unnecessary.
Just let people be who they are
It sometimes feels fabricated
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
thank you very much. that is called common sense, not autism. we can celebrate our differences as well as our similarities.
Its always fun when the christian pastor will joke about changing the carpets in the church, while i see posts about the muslims in ramadan will give food to the poor during thier religious month or ramadan.
Hell (jumping to the dark side. Sorry muslims) but suicide bombers are willing to give thier life to what they believe in (yes, killing others is bad, but giving your life to a cause is respectible), while my christian pastor will live next to neighbours sleeping on a matress in thier front yard, and do nothing to help thier PHYSICAL neighbour.
Maybe I am the outlier, but for all I see, Christians are the ones pretending to do good, while the muslims had a rough patch almost 20 years ago, and are doing more good that the christians in the last 5 years or so.
American war propaganda poster for illustrating feminism, that's certainly a choice
Yeah and “we can do it,” until the men come back home and take the jobs back.
Assholes of our worser nature?
Also, Nye isn't an athiest. He's a devoteé of Cervinas.
Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again
There are in fact assholes of every stripe and it is good to be aware of those within your own "camps"
Prefer the Norman Rockwell version of Rosie the Riviter:
https://www.nrm.org/rosie-the-riveter/
The Norman Rockwell Museum are cowards. The photo crops out the bottom, where she's using Mein Kampf as a footstool.
That is cowardly, that's one of the few things its good for. Maybe fixing a wobbly table leg, and when you're out of toilet paper.
I'm not sure I'd use Bill Nye as the example of the asshole atheist, unless that's the joke. Maybe Christopher Hitchens.
No, it's saying Nye is a good person. He's an atheist and not an asshole.
But you do touch on something because it would be a challenge to find someone known for being atheist while also being a decent human being. IDK, maybe Daniel Dennitt?
I see. Perhaps I misunderstood the format.
For the asshole, I would have gone with Dawkins
Bill Nye kind of is a dick though.
Some people are really warm in acute person-to-person interactions, but lack the chronic empathy to spread long-term kindness. See "southern hospitality" clashing with who those areas vote for.
Others have a well-oriented moral compass but are just really abrasive in person. That's Bill Nye. I've met him and he's not like, super mean but he's got a bit of a holier-than-thou (or rather, smarter-than-you) complex.
Need an asshole, hyrulian fortune teller....
Represent those you want to support with the best examples and those you want to oppose with the worst examples. Ignore that every group is made of people and people come in many distinct, unique varieties because it doesn't fit your narrative.
