Sorry for not seeing this earlier. Work was hell today.
Your correct. This isn't racism. I'm reinstating your comment now.
Thanks
I left .world a while ago, I didn't leave Reddit to put up with the same bullshit on Lemmy
Yeah the mods of the news Community being in favor of fascism doesn't surprise me.
Conflating zionist state of israel with the jewish people is anti-semitism. Israel does not represent all jewish people worldwide.
I agree. How do we get the world to recognize that fact?
Genuinely asking, because seeing the Australian government bow to Zionist pigs over this is really tiring me out.
Is that actually a tolerable opinion in the sense of "paradox of tolerance"? Or is it hate speech that leads to intolerance?
Like "deport all jews from greater palestine" would mean ethnic cleansing which would not be tolerable. The only logical solution seems to be a 1 state solution that would need decades of investment, reeducation, de-nazification and de-radicalization on both sides.
Or said differently, "Palestine doesn't have a right to exist" is not tolerable right?
Historic arguments that wold have been valid 70 years ago are now not useful since the reality is like it is. Something like "USA doesn't have a right to exist, Europeans go home!" doesn't make sense either except in the hypothetical where it would .
South Africa ended a similar system of apartheid and the effects of that, including the beneficiaries of apartheid choosing to leave the country (often to Israel so they could keep doing apartheid) were preferable to keeping the unjust system.
Saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist isn't the same as saying all Jews should be forced to leave. Ideally, if they want to then they should be free to live in a country where Jews and Palestinians have equal rights, including the right to vote, such a country would no longer be an ethnostate and would probably not chose to call itself "Israel."
Saying Israel doesn’t have a right to exist isn’t the same as saying all Jews should be forced to leave.
But it is virtually indistinguishable of what someone would say if they wished for ethnic cleansing. At the very least it sounds like a dog whistle. You could instead say Zionism or apartheid or fascist Israel has no right to exist.
And yeah, my original comment is also virtually indistinguishable from a mealymouthed moderate liberal lol.
'The Russians occupying Crimea cannot be deported that would be ethnic cleansing'. No it would not. There were Nazis occupying Polish houses and they were kicked out after WW2 and sent back where they came from.
'Deport all Jews from Palestine' would be ethnic cleansing as many Jews lived in Palestine before Zionism.
Palestinians have the full right to all their land back. If a European colonist is currently occupying it that is not their problem. The fact that their parents stole it in an ethnic cleansing does not change this in the slightest. Nor does them being Jewish mean that they suddenly get a special antisemitism exception to do colonialism and steal people's houses.
There were many historically German language areas in Poland and Czechia. There was in fact atrocities and ethnic cleansing there - not that this deserves any pity for most of the "former NAZIs". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–1950)
After 50 years I don't think any reasonable person can make the argument that removing Jews from Israel is anything but ethnic cleansing. Not that I'd have any pity on those zionist fascists either, BUT it's beyond the pale to feign outrage over your "innocent comment" if this is your true opinion.
YDI
.world is a festering mess of liberalism, you say?
Colour me surprised.
The place that banned all criticism of Biden/Harris and then wondered where all the critics went, justifying their bad beliefs that all of them were bots? Yeah I wonder why its a shitlib utopia.
PTB. .world's stances continue to be completely indistinguishable from State Department propaganda. I guess it was only a matter of time until the mods started cracking down on anti-Zionism. Fully expect to see them ban someone for promoting BDS next.
Would be hillarious if they put an anti-BDS clause in the .world terms of service.
Honestly, they should just make users recite the Pledge of Allegiance to sign up.
I mean... it's an illegitimate state after all.
It can't be racism unless you first admit it's an ethnostate.
That's actually a really good catch.
If Israel is an ethnostate, then saying "Israel did something bad" is now by default saying "Jews here did something bad."
And it works for their "anything calling us out is antisemitic" and the people who think being Anti-Zionism are antisemitic.
It helps deflect any claim. South Africa wishes it had that idea.
Ethno-states run by power-tripping pigs have no right to exist.
I can sort of see how they got there, but I don't think any nation has the right to exist. I'm sure if you swapped it with any other nation they wouldn't remove it.
PTB from flat.world as usual.
Francesca Albanese puts it well. A people have a right to exist.
An apartheid ethnosupremacist state built on, and still doing, genocide and settler Colonialism, certainly doesn't. Chattel Slavery America and Apartheid South Africa don't exist anymore, it's more than time for Israel to join them.
PTB*.
That said you're biting obvious bait - a good chunk of those discussions boil down to ambiguous words referring to both actual human beings and states/governments, to defend the later as if it was an attack on the former.
*LATER EDIT: upon the mod reinstating the comment, I'm changing my judgment to CLM.
And it's worth noting the judgment only applies to the comment shown in the original post - since the user in question is clearly eager to lie in order to accuse others, and their behaviour borders concern trolling.
Yes, people called Israel exist.
But from the thread the comment was placed in, it should be clear I was talking about the apartheid colonizing Palestine. Not a persons right to existence
It was clear for me, too. However, a lot of people struggle to tell apart two things when you use the same word to refer to them, and that's one of those cases.
My suggestion in this regard is to always use "state of Israel" instead. You'll still get some bans, but it becomes harder for supporters of the genocidal state to claim "no, ur teh 1 defending genoside".
Clueless mod.
While the comment definitely needed removal, that's not a form of racism.
https://phys.org/news/2025-04-subreddits-highlights-hidden-ways-speech.html
While the comment definitely needed removal
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Sure.
The only people that regularly say that Israel doesn't have a right to exist are stirring shit, it isn't a good faith argument. It never, ever, leads to a good conversation where everyone stays chill and on topic.
There's the implication that jews have no right to a homeland of some kind, which is probably why they attributed it to racism (antisemitism), but it isn't necessarily about that. It could be, I don't know your stance in that regard, but it's definitely anti Israeli, which is a fairly pernicious loophole, imo.
If you're saying that no nation has a right to exist, fine, cool, maybe saying that would have been a better choice. But you can't pretend you don't know that that rhetoric is also slung around by antisemites.
Now, I gotta add my usual warning here. This community isn't the place to debate the issue itself. I'm not going to go any further than what's needed to explain my opinion regarding PTB or not. There's a solid community for continuing to debate topics that get locked, and others for political debates in general, if that's your bag.
Edit: dog whistles and how they spread is not a new idea. I didn't come up with it. And, busy today This was released.
Anyone thinking that dog whistles shouldn't be removed by mods is blind. It's a major problem on the internet. It doesn't matter who or what the dog whistle targets, it's the fact that it is a tool of bigotry that spreads like a disease, even through places and people that aren't bigots. That's the problem with coded language. It's viral and pernicious.
The fact that anyone even saw the need to try and study it should be a clear indicator that when a mod, or a user scrolling by, sees a dog whistle in the wild like this, it can't just be shrugged off as unimportant.
There can be some arguments made in good faith against existence of Israel.
Israel exists because of one of the last follies of colonial empires before they stopped having enough push for this kind of things. It was created by displacing whole peoples based on agreement made over their heads. Continued existence of Israel has shown that it’s an apartheid expansionist state built on a dangerous mixture of religious zealotry and nationalism.
I think Germans should make their last „sorry guys” and give them some land. I know it wasn’t feasible before because Jews were scared of their oppressors but you can’t say Germans are in any shape or form antisemitic these days. I guess Middle Eastern immigrants in Germany would take an some issue with that but that’s German domestic politics. Then Germans can stop feeling sorry and they can also stop supplying weapons to kill Palestinians.
Sure, but that's different than the dog whistle that is the specific line in question here.
I know, not everyone has the leisure to keep track of all of those. There's just so damn many of them nowadays. And they've spread beyond the people that started using them into the general populace, which means they've been successful in one part of their original intent.
But, the arguments that Israel is a rogue state would be out of scope here, even though I agree with that.
Edit: linking in the brand new study involving dog whistles https://phys.org/news/2025-04-subreddits-highlights-hidden-ways-speech.html
I'm not talking out my ass
