The only problem I have is with the whole "foreign backed" language. It's technically not wrong, but please, as a reminder: It was not simply manipulation from Russia and others, putting Trump into power and creating MAGA. It is a homegrown problem, fascism has been smouldering in the US for a long time, and just as another reminder, it is also glimmering in the EU as well.
The country is "occupied" by its ruling class, and in this case, a specific clique of them benefitting themselves even against other capitalists, but overall, this is much more about class-, than it is about nation-dynamics.
Well said. I would even go so far as to say that facism is the bones of America.
American colonialism served as inspiration for Hitler, and the history of America is packed solid with violent othering of various groups. To pretend that any of these problems are new or came from elsewhere is an incredibly naive and whitewashed point of view.
American colonialism served as inspiration for Hitler, and the history of America is packed solid with violent othering of various groups.
It's not wrong, although I would stress, that fascism is not just that, and there is a reason why we only call those systems starting in the 20th century fascist.
It is also class collaborationism, and trying to somehow have the advantages of capitalism without its utter destruction of social norms and traditions. It is intertwining state and capital with the ideological aim to create a "strong nation" in the fight against other nations. It is imagining society as a body with people being its organs, who should serve their allotted place in society, and not rebel against it. America also had non-fascist tendencies woven within into history, and the settler-colonial era was still too early to be called "fascist", lacking the kind of developed industrial capitalism and violent reaction to socialist class struggle 20th century fascism was born in.
Yeah, we've rarely been the good guys in history.
No, Jim crow was the inspiration for Hitler, he wrote about it explicitly in mein kampf as the model that must be followed.
The Nuremberg Laws are actually, I shit you not, Jim crow but watered down as Germans wouldn't tolerate the 1 drop rule.
The south was so impossibly evil even the nazis blanched, and we never did anything to solve their unimaginable inhumanity.
We (the USA) were smoldering fascists prior to WW2. Let's not kid ourselves.
The human race is a bunch of smouldering fascists. Balkans, Rwanda, Chechnya, Iraq, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, and Darfur. Nigeria, Mali, Sudan, and other countries in the Sahel region. Take a look at this list of ethnic cleansings.
World history is rife with people trying to gain power so they can kill all the people who don't look like them.
We (the USA) were smoldering fascists prior to WW2. Let’s not kid ourselves.
Eh, I actually disagree. The US did a social democratic turn after the Great Depression, I think it was one of the eras where the US was furthest from fascism. It ultimately still created and maintained the conditions of fascist tendencies later on and only very partially did the work analysing their own history of imperialism, but I really dislike overuse of the word fascist, because it blunts the analytical edge. The implicit neoliberal social contract was different than the implicit fascist one (which was different than the more social democratic one solidified under FDR, etc.) - and the system no longer having to wear the mask of humanity has real life consequences and creates its own dynamics.
World history is rife with people trying to gain power so they can kill all the people who don’t look like them.
Indeed, but I think it is a fallacy to use that as an ideological framing of inevitability (unsure if that was your aim here). Ingroup-Outgroup thinking is one of the few things, that I think is indeed fundamental to the human condition, but the way it materialises is dependent on the interaction of that tendency with material and historical conditions. Without colonialism, the specific framing of race, for example, would not have existed in the same way. And universalism as a current within modernity is not just a fluke or illusion, but a proper potential tendency within human behaviour as well, one that relies on cultural and material conditions of its own.
Cynicism is in its own right an ideological distortion, where it leaves analysis and tries to impose its interpretation on reality.
It was not simply manipulation from Russia and others, putting Trump into power and creating MAGA.
Yes, it is that simple. Not only do we have Trump as a Russian assets, but I’d wager there are also other politicians and judges that are assets too. Not to mention all of the dark money that flooded our government (thanks to Citizens United), and the whole of social media misinformation campaigns across Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, etc.
There is nothing homegrown about this; we’ve been under attack for a long time. Ow, and we’re only starting to notice it because of the repercussions.
Not to mention all of the dark money that flooded our government (thanks to Citizens United)
Oh, yeah, sure, and that was Russia and not your own capitalists and corporations creating the financing structures of CU.
the whole of social media misinformation campaigns across Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, etc.
Which was indeed fueled by Russia, but also dependent on the basic problem, that journalism is structured around the profit motive, in the hands of a few oligarchs and the attention economy, and gleefully embraced by platforms like meta and twitter, because it just so happened to be also in the class interest of the owners.
Russia is taking advantage of it and has been doing destabilising actions in Europe and the US for decades - but no, you have home-grown your culture of corporate America and we all share the culture of international capital on top of that.
Don't act like it would be the land of the free and the brave without Russia, they did not invent Citizens United, they did not create the structures that allowed 3-digit billionaires to exist, they did not buy out Rupert Murdoch or Elon Musk (seriously, they could not afford them, even with Kompromat - after all, people are easy to pretend like Trump didn't have connections to Epstein, too. No Kompromat couldn't be pushed to the sidelines considering the media and social media is controlled by those people, not Russia directly.) The vast majority of cooperation of people like that with Russia is because of self-interest within the economic dynamics aligning with Russian interests - Russia only fanned the flames and took the opportunities that were there.
Russia is an imperialist shithouse with oligarchic capitalism, but the US is, too, and has been for a long time. Closing the eyes to that is allowing yourself to live in ideology-driven ignorance, which is also why my answer is so hostile, because sometimes that is necessary in debating things like this.
fascism has been smouldering in the US for a long time, and just as another reminder, it is also glimmering in the EU as well.
I'm pretty sure Russia help with that. It is about class but not only.
Oh, yes, that's also why I mentioned it being technically true, as in, Russia is very interested in helping anything that destabilises and hurts their enemies in mutual imperialist struggle, as well as help them establish the new world order of imperialist powers acting however they want in their spheres of influence, instead of international responsibilities and laws.
It's like: Technically the October Revolution in Tsarist Russia was also, because the German Empire really, really wanted a destabilised enemy on their Eastern Front (Thus sending Lenin with a generous packet of financial support to do some destabilising). That does not negate that at the core, it was already burning as a potential historic outcome, because of the squalor class relations had caused there - and the geopolitics were just additional fuel that got the tensions into explosion mode.
Elon Musk also did a Nazi salute on the presidents stage.
I’m fucking sick of people acting like it was something else.
It’s called a sieg heil. Salute makes it sound respectable.
I mean it is respectful but just to Hitler.
Litmus test of friendship.
Just ask them if that gesture was a nazi salute or not. If they say no, walk away, they aren't worth being friends with.
It's much worse than this
I too used to believe that Trump is getting some kind of kickback for his helping Russia, and maybe he still is
Until very recently I called Trump Putin's puppet
After seeing Vlad Vexler's video
I now understand the depths of Trump's narcissistic psychopathy
Trump separates people into two categories: People who have value to him and those who do not.
Trump will freely give the US and the west to Putin just because he wants to be in Putin's good graces because Trump requires validation from him.
To Trump, Putin belongs in the class of people that have value to him.
yes, thats what weve been saying. he just wants to pull a reverse kissinger with russia, so he can hurt china.
i doubt he will succeed, but he will throw all he can at it because he convinced himself capable of it.
We are not of value to Trump.
He does not have the mental capacity to have a conscience.
He does not care if we live or die.
To him, it is not Russia that he is helping, only Putin because he has a compulsive need for validation from him.
Ultimately, it's not even about Putin. It's just fulfillment of his personal need for validation, a constant quest for self-gratification through the validation of those he sees as being of value
To make a long story short. Trump always claims that others do something before he has it done... He says others risk a ww3... which countries does he want to claim everything again?
It boils down to further consolidating his dictatorship regime and completely abolishing democracy. To then attack Europe together with the ally Russia... Trump is now making sure that money and everything will flow again and Russia can rearm on the side. Your judges or anyone else won't be able to do anything about it. The only thing that can change it are people who sacrifice themselves for their country and go and kill terrorists.As someone who was raised by a narcissistic sociopath (and who was fucked up by it in countless ways), it's beyond terrifying seeing the same type of scumbag occupying the white house.
Or maybe American fascists and Russian fascists just (correctly) see each other as obvious allies. They're both the product of the exact same neo-liberal politics Afterall. That way you don't need to invoke Manchurian candidate conspiracy theories or Redditeur pseudo-psycology.
Lol DHS is now listed in Wikipedia as a Secret Police Organization 🤣
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secret_police_organizations
I love these editors, they speak the truth as it is.
Doesn't sound fair to me. Musk is an oligrach, but he's also, at least, a nazi transphobe who disowned his own daughter. Donald is, at least again, a convicted felon and rapist who was best friend with the the most notorious pedophile of the past 50 years, and also tried to overthrow the government while being backed by a foreign country. Let get our facts straight.
By all objective measures, HitlerPig us the most prolific traitor in American history, wirse than all other American traitors COMBINED.
And yet, I've never heard an elected official or media outlet ever call him a Traitor. Until the left starts tying these traitors to their crimes, and hammers on it every single day, the Dems will NEVER wrest the power from the MAGA Traitors.
HitlerPig is a proven traitor, and anyone who still supports him, is also a traitor, and none of them should be allowed to forget it.
In the same vein, zionism is a far right philosophy of land theft and murder, and its not anti semitism when you object to it-- zionists are being antisemitic when they hide behind the entire jewish religion to commit their terrorism. Dont be afraid of pushing back on old school terrorism and war crimes. We're better than that. -- Or maybe we have been better than that in the past, and will be again.
Yes, I can’t believe I see dipshits that get angry and scream “antisemitism” even on Lemmy, in response to someone pointing out that massacring innocent civilians because you want their land is genocide. There’s no depth in the view of someone who got their feelings hurt when you pointed out the damage they’re causing.
Wise words
I don't see this post on their bluesky. Can anyone post a link, please?
You can also just call them all pedophiles because that is also what they are
"don't be afraid to speak truth to power ... that said we'll stick with the public identity of anonymous"
