Trump officials shared military plans on a private app — 10 years after uproar over Hillary Clinton’s private server

It’s almost as if they never actually cared about the server but rather were just using it to score points. Not at all like, you know, absolutely everything else.

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It's almost like libs don't actually care about this recent leak but are also just using it to score points.

The lack of self-awareness is stunning.
- People do care about the leaaks, but also how ironically this situation is compared to the 'but what about her emails' situation in the past.
- imagine getting banned from c/noncredibledefense, how pathetic do you have to be for that to happen

Lock. Them. Up.

Item 151 on today's "It was never about her emails" list

Nothing on Hillary Clinton's server was classified at the time it was put on the server. Some items were subsequently reclassified to the lowest level above Unclassified.

So there's really no comparison between the two situations. It stinks of bothsidesism for the journalist to even mention it. A better contrast is between screeching outrage at nothing, versus the current sneering complacency about a major security fuck-up, though I'm sure it pales with what Trump is sharing with Russia and what he's waving around in front of his cronies to brag about what he knows.

Nothing on Hillary Clinton's server was classified at the time it was put on the server

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.

Some items were subsequently reclassified to the lowest level above Unclassified.

Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

So there's really no comparison between the two situations.

I agree. I just wanted to correct the record and to highlight that a normal government employee would have been fired for what Hillary did.
In my opinion the most relevant commonality is the hypocrisy of all the involved parties. Hillary had sent out a notice to the entire State Department saying to only use official communication platforms, and then did the opposite as if she thinks she's above the rules.

Then these Republicans who condemned the actions also used a non-official platform.

Wasn't the server an actual private server she had setup whereas this is a corporate app that is supposedly private if they are not lying and accessing the data. I mean this is way wore unless they put up a server to run the chat software.

Also, while using the app, there is zero accountability for who told who to do what within the government. FOIA is useless for any conversation happening within that app, self hosted or not.
- Yep, OPSEC is definitely a major issue here. But the other problem is like you mention, zero accountability. Additionally, if they delete the chat, there is no way to reobtain the data for historical archive purposes, which is another law violation.

Conservative hypocrisy knows no bounds. They will only be outraged at what their talking heads tell them to be outraged at.

I'm not sure that pointing out the hypocrisy is even useful. I'm nearing 40 and "but it's okay when we do it" has always been a core tenant of conservatism. They don't give a shit that they're hypocrites, they don't care, I've boxed them in on it before and it always just boils down to "it's okay for us because I said so". I think it's maybe more useful to move past the identification of hypocrisy and start engaging in conversations about accountability. That is, conversations about hypocrisy without conversations about what kind of accountability you'd like to see are moot. So, let's move past "can you believe this shit? But her emails? Do you feel like the hypocrites you are yet?" to "your boy did something fucking stupid. I don't care about your excuses, fire him."

That's true! We just assume that by pointing out the naughty behavior Someone will Do Something because honest people expect honest reactions.

Dishonest people cannot have honest reactions, their words mean nothing, they respond only to personal suffering and nothing else.

EDIT: To be 1000% clear, they should not be using personal cell phones for this, which they probably did because everyone in this admin is braindead gutter trash. I'm suggesting that self-hosted Signal over government servers is probably fine for security with potentially some tweaks to the app. Something I neglected to think of however is that this sidesteps record keeping, and probably deliberately so. My contention here was solely about security, but this fact makes Signal use unconscionable in my book because it impedes accountability.

Okay, let's just be clear here: Signal isn't just another "private app"; the amount of information they have about your communications is zero (0) with the exception that I believe they can see if you have an account and the last time you connected to the server. Governments absolutely do rely on Signal. The Signal protocol is open and highly robust, the app code is FOSS and has eyes from a shitload of security researchers globally due to its importance, its server code is FOSS (although you don't have to trust this due to the robust E2EE, and you can even self-host IIRC due to the FOSS server code), and it has reproducible builds.

This fuck-up was strictly due to the fact that they're incompetent morons just randomly inviting people to group chats and shit with no guardrails. If I had to guess, they'd probably want to self-host the fork the Signal app and make it so that you can only invite people with some form of clearance, but this last thing is total speculation on my part. I'm sure there's some way to sanely do this. The part about Signal being secure is just objectively true; it's audited like absolute crazy, both the FOSS app and the protocol. I would trust it more than whatever the US government could homebrew, even.

If you, as a citizen, are looking for secure, private messaging, Signal should be at the very top of your list of possible candidates alongside Matrix, SimpleX, and Session (keep in mind that Element and Session do not yet support forward secrecy, although the Matrix protocol does).

Let's also be clear: Signal, regardless of their encryption standards, is not an approved system for any kind of classified information. Leaks of this nature have the potential to cost people's lives. Every single person in that group chat would have known this. Many of them have original classification authority.

Further, not only was the platform not approved for the information, the messages were set to disappear after some time. This is a violation of government record keeping laws and FOIA standards. This wasn't an oopsie.
- I mean we put a fox news anchor in charge, and if he's even half as dumb as he looks, well that's pretty fucking dumb. I doubt he understands, or if he does, doesn't care. Just shameful. But hey, at least the libs are getting owned.
- The mere fact it was possible to invite a random journalist to the chat is ridiculous. That shouldn't be an option in a secure environment.
This fuck-up was strictly due to the fact that they're incompetent morons just randomly inviting people to group chats and shit with no guardrails.

No.

These fuckwits were handling classified and top secret information in the open on their cell phones.

It doesn't matter what specific app they used. This is not about the technology. You missed the point.
- This is the same team of geniuses that kept classified files, some of which were mysteriously emptied of their contents, in the unlocked bedroom and bathroom of a members-only club in Florida, near the swimming pool whose water mysteriously destroyed all the surveillance video just when the FBI were about to look at it.
I would trust it more than whatever the US government could homebrew, even.

The clowns in this administration, sure. But the NSA knows what they're doing when it comes to cryptography.

Where is the accountability from the public? Every redneck 100 mi from me was screaming about her damn emails. They probably didn't even understand why they were outraged, but the man on the FoX nEwS was angry about it so I am too. They say that the don't trust the government for legitimate topics like vaccines, and taxes and then when the government gives you a huge reason to actually be concerned, it gets ignored

It's almost like that party has no values and sees everything only through the lens of political leverage.

Also the disappearing texts are a concern. There's not much mention of that. And now you have to wonder, how many other conversations have been held there, and with who?

Disappearing texts?
- Similar to WhatsApp you can set limits on how long to keep a message

Summary:

a journalist was invited
half an hour before the first takeoff, the takeoff times of planes, drones and cruise missiles were shared
it was mentioned that an individual terrorist is on sight and his location known

Sadly, none of them will be jailed, like a lay person would be for disclosing military secrets.

However, I would advocate for punishing them with having a mandatory nanny appointed to oversee them for 4 years.

According to Sun Tzus art of war, someone who is that stupid should be put to death.

Shared military plans with a journalist on a private app.

Clown show ... so let's spin it that this came from a disreputable journalist.

lock them up!

The takeaway is that Signal is a bloody good app to use.

Sounds like it's pretty easy to add the wrong people to your chat.
- People are usually the weakest link.
- It's no different from many other chat apps. Select the contacts you want in the group.
  
  There's no issue with the app, it's actually among the most secure. The issue is the meatbag behind the thumbs selecting who to put in the chat.
Is that the takeaway?
- For the reporter it was.

I'm so tired of America letting the worst pieces of shit get away with anything. One side breaks the speed limit by 2mph and they're euthanized. The other side rapes and kills all of Asia, and nothing happens.

🧈 👨 s

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It’s always Opposite Day with these clowns GOP. The blame finger is always pointing at them.

Lock him up!

And here several days later they are still trying to gaslight everyone into believing that it never happened.

It's almost like both "parties" only care about decent OpSec when the other team fucks up.

And neither party cares about the endless imperial slaughter that these communications facilitate. Not even worth mentioning.

An app that multiple intelligence agencies have likely cracked

The app is likely secure.

The personal phones they installed this app on, however…

I don’t run a magazine so I couldn’t report it but I was included on a top secret Signal group chat where administration officials talked about how long you should wait after Trump or Elon absolutely explodes a White House bathroom. A friend at OSHA accidentally added me.

The younger staffers were given a map of nearby Starbucks locations because sometimes, it would take hours for the West Wing loos to be re-certified as a safe workplace environment. And if the inspector forgot his Geiger counter, forget it. Bathrooms were off limits that day.