I lived in a West Bank settlement for 11 years. Israel's reason for the war is ethnic cleansing and expulsion. They use the public support of the hostages to justify their actions. If you dare push back on their conquest you are called a self hating Jew and a Libtard.
Hamas are not the good guys here either, they played all their cards on October 7th where they demonstrated their cruelty and disrespect for human life. The Israeli military has been trying to match or exceed them ever since.
Hamas are not the good guys here either, they played all their cards on October 7th where they demonstrated their cruelty and disrespect for human life. The Israeli military has been trying to match or exceed them ever since.
Weird how many of the Israeli claims of Oct 7 are either disproven or completely unbacked by any evidence. Beheaded babies? Rape and murder of dozens including noah aragami (who is alive, and released and now is going against Israel, why??? Asked the idiots)
Hamas is an Israeli puppet, they were placed to lead gaza to ensure Palestine can't form into a nation, literal divide and rule. Hamas in gaza, plo/fateh in west bank who are opposing ideologies. I absolutely condemn Oct 7 and can't comprehend why their plan or goal, not only is it cruel to the innocents but surely they knew Gaza would be wiped. Not that Israel is allowed to, just that Israeli propaganda is the strongest on earth
Weird how I never mentioned any of the Israeli claims. The facts are they swept through civilian areas killing and kidnapping seems fucked enough for me.
Where the fuck are you getting your propaganda? Noah Argamani? The woman posting pictures with Donald Trump on her socials?
Hamas was thought to be containable by Bibi's government, they funneled cash to them hoping it would keep them complacent. Hamas proved on October 7th that they did not want to be Bibi's "puppet".!
Israel has been working on dividing the Palestinian people for almost as long as Israel has been a state. There were growing pro Palestinian rights movements growing in Israel but Bibi has been leaning hard into Oct 7th to reignite racist fears that Israelis are indoctrinated with their entire life. There are still movements in Israel that are pushing for hostage release and for Palestinian human and civil rights. Israel/Palestine will never be a healthy democracy until all peoples within it segmented borders are given equal civil and human rights.
Trying to exceed them? Trying? Try again.
Shalom officer
I like Hasan :3
We have to start accepting that israel is the modern day nazi state that must be deconstructed.
I don't necessarily disagree but Hasan literally plays Hamas propaganda videos on his streams. Is it really too niche to promote the views of people who don't like Israel committing genocide and also don't like Hamas?
Scary Hamas is not allowed a voice. Only Israeli propaganda allowed. No other perspectives!
Meanwhile over at CBS
Hamas propaganda is not a "perspective". Keep that stuff at Lemmy.ml
I never said that only Israeli propaganda is allowed, not sure why you are bringing that up. I don't speak for CBS either.
Let's at least try to agree on the facts as follows:
- Israel has murdered Palestinian people and committed all sorts of atrocities (kidnapping, rape, etc.)
- Hamas has murdered Israeli people and committed all sorts of atrocities (kidnapping, rape, etc.)
- Israel has committed more atrocities than Hamas. It's genocide, no doubt about it. Absolutely fucked up.
- Hamas is a terrorist organization that doesn't speak for all Palestinians, and Palestinians don't deserve to be murdered and displaced from their homes because of Hamas' actions.
I think it's important and meaningful to remember that these facts don't cancel each other out. I think it shouldn't be a nuanced take to denounce both these groups. Obviously the Israeli government needs to answer for the ongoing genocide of Palestinians. That doesn't mean that we should blindly champion Hamas, which is what Hasan does regularly.
That is all I am saying. Hope you are well and hope you agree, take care.
Lemmy is no better than reddit 🌚
Hasan is Andrew Tate with unlimited support from tankie bootlickers
He is correct, but is totally the wrong person to say this.
Because?...
Hasan is a selfserving dickhead who poisons the well for most people not already into leftist politics. He refuses to be truly critical and reflective of stuff on his own side.
This kind of message needs to reach the "normies" to sway public opinion and put pressure on Israel to stop. But at the same time, with an 5 minutes google you see the dude brings Houthis onto his stream because "they're just like Luffy." That's was not journalism, it's was propaganda for clicks and views.
I see some of same bullshit the right pulls being done by him and his community. And I'm saying this as someone who agrees with most of his takes.
I only form political opinions based on whether the person saying it is dude bro enough.
Politics is a popularity contest after all. That's how Joe Rogan's moronic "politics" got everywhere. At least Hasan has an idea what he's talking about much of the time and does on-the-ground journalism.
I don't really get how the bad guys are a country fighting the literal Muslim Brotherhood who continue to hold American citizens and many others hostage for 529 days.
Because they are attacking civilians, children, hospitals and UN aid deliveries, and have outspoken goals of removing all Palestinians from their homes. War crimes and ethnic cleansing seems like pretty bad guy stuff to me. Both sides can be bad.
The Israeli killing of US civilians goes back at least to 2003, when American activist Rachel Corrie was crushed to death in Gaza by an Israeli soldier driving an armored Caterpillar-brand bulldozer as she laid down to prevent it from moving to destroy Palestinian houses.
https://www.vox.com/israel/371491/aysenur-eygi-israel-palestine-west-bank-idf-biden-blinken
What Fanon implored us to do was to view the struggle of the oppressed as a struggle to create a new mode of being, a new form of humanity. Within the revolutionary struggles of the masses, he insisted, lie the seeds of a new humanity. The ongoing resistance in Palestine today is not a new phenomenon, but is rather the latest episode in a decades’ long struggle for freedom and what Hegel and Fanon both agree on, recognition. Not recognition to live within shrivelled little cantons and drip-fed subsistence, but recognition as a human being in the holistic sense of the term. The stone throwing, the stabbings and the bombings are a reaction to a colonial regime which denies this recognition.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20151019-palestine-through-the-lens-of-frantz-fanon/
In an alternative reality where the literal nazi's are fighting the Muslim Brotherhood, would that mean that the nazi's are the good guys?
Go on that link and check the editing list. It's very interesting and worth looking at the dates and how it peaks Oct 7 2023
Whatever you say nazi
Islam is wrong but a jewish ethno state that was formed by killing civilians and babies is fine. Fk off. Israeli prisons have thousands of kids hostage but guess they are not white enough for you to care.
Lmao this is a lemmy dot world moderator. Fk off nazi.
I have been out of the loop on the Israel situation for so long and I feel maybe I should get in the loop. Can somebody educate me on it?
There is a pretty good headline summary written 100 years ago:
New York Times 1899: CONFERENCE OF ZIONISTS; Elect Delegates at Their Meeting in Baltimore. WILL COLONIZE PALESTINE
Israel was funded by Britain after WWII as an ethnostate for Jewish people. This was a win-win, since many Jewish people were tired of persecution and wanted their own country, and most other countries hated Jewish people to some extent and wanted to be rid of them.
They placed it in the region that was the Jewish state of Israel some 2 thousand years ago. Trouble is, there was another country in that place by then: Palestine. Most Palestinians are Muslim and look different from the Jewish people residing in Israel, which is unwelcome to an ethnostate. Ethnostates strive to be ethnically monogamous and don't tolerate different ethnicities well.
Thus, Israel has been trying to get rid of Palestinians to varying extents since. This has indirectly been helped by many of the most powerful western nations, since Israel is their only ally in the middle east and they thus support it economically and in other ways. Tactics have mostly been passive enough to go under the radar of most people in different countries, for example economically depriving the region Palestinians live in, or letting too little food go to that region.
In late 2023, there was a terrorist attack on Israelis by a group called Hamas that identify as Palestian. This let to a full on war between Hamas and Israel. During this, there has been so much evidence of Israeli military targeting civilians and even specifically children that many people all over the world now recognize what Israel is doing to Palestinians as a genocide.
Anti-Israel sentiment is deliberately being painted as anti-Semitic by Israel. Some of it actually does contain some or even a lot of antisemitism, but some is just legitimate critique of an ethnostate and its actions against an unwelcome minority. Calling the latter antisemitism too has two results: the criticism is delegitimised and Israel gets away scots free, and actual antisemitism is on the rise because it feels more normalized now.
I tried to be objective, everyone please feel free to correct, add, or ask anything :) hope this helps OP!
israel is isis w unlimited support from the usa
