Fuck tankies. I don't know what's up with the idiots arguing in this thread defending them or saying this point isn't valid because of the original comic but it needs to stop.
These tankes are the same useful idiots who are simping for Russia and China while being LGBTQ and neurodivergent, despite those countries violent and hostile treatment of LGBTQ and neurodivergent people. The fact that people are sticking up for these dumbasses in this thread is frankly disgusting.
Not too fond of genocides and presidents for life
Read some theory you capitalist stooge
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Oh, so that's fine when America does it???!!?1!1??1 < average ml. user
i hate the political compass i hate the political compass i hate the political compass i hate the political compass
It is American Libertarian propaganda. The y-axis is clearly coded in a way that is biased in favor of Libertarians that is not useful to explaining political positions. The y-axis should be labeled as a measurement of centralization. edit: misclicks and clarification
The folks saying that this is ablesist. I hear you and I think I mostly agree. But this is one I kind of struggle on. Which "haha person is stupid" kinds of things are making fun of people who are mentally handicapped? And which ones are just making fun of people for being plain old stupid? Or is it ablesist to say that a person behaving stupidly is stupid?
Like, if you're making a meme and want to portray the anti-vaxer or nazi or whatever as being stupid or cruel or whatever, how do you do that without being ablesist? ("Inteligence is biological", "psychopathy is a disease", etc)
edit: oh whoops. And fuck tankies. Forgot to add that
A thing to note is that it's socially okay to call people we dislike stupid because our society is naturally intellectually ableist. We are saying that a person has reached their incorrect views because they're mentally handicapped, rather than pointing to other reasons for their intellectual failings.
At the same time, we've grown up in this environment and it's difficult to remove that kind of language without some habits to replace it.
Which "haha person is stupid" kinds of things are making fun of people who are mentally handicapped? And which ones are just making fun of people for being plain old stupid? Or is it ablesist to say that a person behaving stupidly is stupid?
Kinda, yeah. And this is somewhere some hard conversations have to happen in leftist anti-ableist spaces to figure out the way forward. Memes play on stereotypes and cultural shorthand to communicate with very few words, and the culture is ableist so our memes sometimes will be too. There's a split in definitions - stupid can be a perjorative for disabled people, or it can be a remark on willful ignorance and self-sabotaging malice. And using SAT words to more accurately describe their behavior leads to the wall 'o text leftist 'memes' that nobody wants to read. But calling them stupid is still ableist.
In some cases you can get around this by playing on anti-intellectual stereotypes but then you're usually just using classist stereotypes... am I just forgetting some or is every insult that doesn't make you sound like an egghead punching down on someone?
IDK. Everything is fucked.
Calling something or someone ‘stupid’ is just evading actual criticism. The fact is that nazi’s and anti-vaxers aren’t necessarily ‘stupid’. And people with learning disabilities are often neither anti vax nor nazi.
Nazi’s are evil because they want to remove queer people, non-white people, disabled people etc from society (probably by either killing or enslaving them).
Anti-vaxers are either dangerously misinformed or so arrogant that they think they know better than scientists who studied years to understand the human immune system.
It’s okay to call evil people stupid.
Nazi’s are evil because they want to remove queer people, non-white people, disabled people etc from society (probably by either killing or enslaving them).
To be clear, there are also additional reasons. Like the whole "world domination" thing and authoritarian power structures to repress and/or murder anyone who questions the in group.
Hmm yes, using ableist language to dunk on the evil tankies.
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It's targeted meanness. It's a rhetorical tactic. It's not for general use in conversations. It's like calling fascists weird, making fun of a terf woman for looking ugly, or calling a transphobe a dumbass for demanding we respect his new pronouns because he put on a dress and makeup.
I'll use tankies as an example. Tankies are evil demons because they want to use trans people for political purposes and kill us all for not being ideologically pure. If a tanky says they're on the left call them a dumbass. And if anyone asks what a tanky is tell them that tankies are red fascists aka authoritarian communists.
To be clear, as a trans woman, I don't want someone who uses ableism as a cudgel online defending me online or in real life. It's not useful. It does nothing to forward the interests of neurodivergent people and it does nothing to push back on the people who want me dead. All it does is silence rhetorically effective critique of intolerant fascists and makes the person screaming ableism feel morally pure.
Again, it's targeted. This does not mean we should being using ableist language for no reason or because we feel like it in casual conversation. It's fine to call out meanness or ableism when it is being used in a way that serves no useful purpose.
Also, the goal isn't really to use slurs but in theory they could be used. Whatever is useful in the particular social environment. The goal is to be mean to a specific target. This is about leveraging the way social media accumulates engagement and internet culture against intolerant people who we should not tolerate.
Refusing to use targeted meanness in a social war is like refusing to use guns in a physical war. It's a great way to lose the war.
It’s called tailism and it’s throwing disabled people under the bus because you can’t find a better argument that the person you perceive as bad is actually bad.
You’d rather normalise ableist language to prevent the nazi’s from coming after you than make allies in disabled communities.
Edit: just to add, tailism is not even effective. Nazi’s promote it to pit marginalised groups against each other.
Time to piss everyone off by calling all 3 of the portrayed ideologies equally as idiotic but in different ways like a true patriotic leftist infighter
While I approve of the intent; there isn't 3 ideologies there 😅 one in the middle is just rainbow, so some queer representation.
Back when writing the comment, I had imagined the person with a rainbow to represent some liberal progressive ideology, that's all about the social cause while actively avoiding the equally as important economic causes/aspects. Though now that I look at it, I suppose you're right, it might just be a queer person and not a representation of any ideology.
