Luigi Mangione illegally searched during arrest in health insurance CEO killing, lawyer says
Luigi Mangione illegally searched during arrest in health insurance CEO killing, lawyer says
Mangione, 26, appeared in court wearing a green cable knit sweater over a white shirt. He was brought into the courtroom in leg and arm shackles and wearing a bulletproof vest.
Theater to make him look like a villain that people want to shoot at.
Lol they said that and my first thought was, "what, is there a risk of some billionaire CEO bursting into the courtroom to exact revenge?"
absolutely not. The federal charges have the death penalty attached.
Remember, the rich fucks need this to end. They certainly don't want us getting ideas. And the fastest way to do that would be to have him wind up dead before they can drag his name through the mud in a show trial. that would turn him into a martyr.
He should complain that the vest is restrictive and that he can't breathe.
There could be interests making him a martyr of some kind, so CEOs will protect him.
You never know . When your rich and famous you can do whatever you want
Does the court decide that he has to wear the vest, or was that a decision by his team? I know the shackles are typically requested by the court, but my understanding is that the rest of a defendant's wardrobe is their own decision.
Theater to make him look like a villain that people want to shoot at.
That, or so the DA could use him as a human shield.
Karen Agnifilo's Full Speech today to Fox News:
"Luigi thanks everybody for being here today. My name is Karen Friedman Agnifilo, and I am here with Jacob Kaplan and the rest of Luigi Mangione's legal team. My intention was not to give a press conference, not to give remarks, and not to speak outside of court because I think the most important thing is to speak IN court on the record. But since video cameras, the application for a video of today's proceeding was denied. I thought I would give the remarks that I gave in court out here so that the people who are interested in hearing what's happening to LM can hear what's happening to LM. So I'm going to do my best to stick with the remarks with what was given in court.
First, I want to start by talking about the fact that LM remains in federal custody, where he is being prosecuted in pre-jurisdictions by the federal government, by NY state, and by Altoona, Pennsylvania, but he's being held in federal custody. And the Department of Justice has refused to allow him to be in state custody despite the fact that they all agreed that the state court is going to go first. Now, this is problematic for several reasons. Number one, the federal government is still considering whether to execute Luigi and considering whether to seek the death penalty, so we're fighting that simultaneously while going first here in state court. And it impacts our ability to meet with him before court; after court, he's constantly surrounded by law enforcement.
He's in shackles—he was wearing a vest today, some, uh, look like a—I don't even know, but a very serious vest? With his legs and arms shackled. And so he's being treated differently because he's being held in federal custody than any other person who would be facing serious, uh, murder one charges in New York state court, and I made a record in court today that I don't understand what this show of danger is for. When I go to visit, uh, Luigi in MDC Brooklyn, I sit with him. He is unshackled; he walks around freely in the visiting area, and we sit in a room together without law enforcement hovering over us. But for whatever reason here, despite all the law enforcement, they need him to be wearing this vest, they need him to be shackled, and they stand right over us, and we get no time to be with us.
And so he is being treated differently because of this unusual and frankly, uh, just the fact that he is being prosecuted by 3 jurisdictions for ONE event. It is all about one thing. One single event. So we object to that. We also made a record today that although the Manhattan DA's office has been providing discovery, we are past the discovery deadline, but they have made an effort to make discovery. But what we haven't received is the police paperwork from NYC. We haven't received any—they call them "DD5's," the follow-up police reports the detectives write. I am sure there will be hundreds of them, and we have not received them yet, which is very important. We have also received the discovery regarding the arrest in the Altoona case and we've received a little of that previously and we are concerned that LM's constitutional rights were violated in PA and there are serious search & seizure issues that will be illitgated in that case PA, and in this case uh, here in the federal case because it is alleged that LM had a gun on him, and other property on him that they are going to use against him and in all the cases and if there is a search and seziure issue, and again we have to review all of the paperwork and camera footage when we receive it before we say definitively whether wre think there is one, and so far we think there is a serious search and seizure issue, and so we want the opportuntity to illitgate it including in PA, where he was supposed to have a court date on February 24th, but the Dept of justice is refusing to transport him, and allow him to face the charges in PA.
So he cannot litigate those issues in PA. Which brings me to the most important point that we made today, which is LM's right to a fair trial is being infringed upon because he is publicly treated as guilty and as having the presumption of guilt as opposed to the presumption of innocence, which is what he is entitled to. And although, of course, I understand the NYPD's need for a press conference before an arrest or after an arrest, which they did here, I didn't like it, but they did it, and I understood it. What I did not understand, was how shocking it was that this week, on HBO, in a documentary I see the Chief of Detectives and NYC mayor full hair and make up done, sitting down, giving an interview for TV talking about the evidence in Luigi's case, talking about police paperwork that we don't have, talking about forensics that we have not yet received, I guess we have now today, but I didn't when I was sitting there learning about the case hearing an actor playing Luigi reading from a journal that they say is Luigi's, yet we have yet to receive it from the prosecution. And so it is outrageous that they have time to go and prejudice Mr. Mangione's ability to receive a fair trial and go out and make these statements but not give this to us, and so we are concerned because if the COD is telling everybody about all of this evidence, and what if it ultimately gets suppressed because it was an illegal search & seizure in Altoona PA, how is he going to get a fair trial? So those are a little bit more than I was allowed to say in court, but that's the gist of it, that's what my prepared remarks were, and, uh, hopefully we'll allow cameras in the court going forward; if not, I will continue to provide information...."
Sounds to me like law enforcement know they fucked up the arrest and search, that evidence won't be admissible in court, so they're trying to make it public instead to prejudice not only the public but the jury pool.
Whoa, I've heard some overblown jury pool bias arguments but appearing in a documentary and sharing evidence that hasn't even been shared in discovery sounds pretty unacceptable. If the documentary people were able to read/view/discuss this evidence, what was the delay in getting it to the defense attorneys?
Seeing as how people who are in favor of jury nullification in this case are vastly more likely to watch such a documentary, if they then exclude any9ne who has seen it, this is a great way to decrease the odds he goes free.
Wait, isn't this pretty similar to how the very-obvious rapist Bill Cosby ultimately got off? That strategy... that actually might work, even without jury nullification.
Also I just gotta say... NYC Mayor and "hair and makeup" in the same sentence made me laugh. I know that's a technical term but, c'mon.
Not quite. The prosecution fucked that up by offering him immunity in exchange for testimony. Under that agreement, Cosby never should have even seen the inside of a jail cell. They absolutely should have not made that deal, but the integrity of the justice system (if such a concept exists) demanded that Cosby be released.
If they can somehow prove that the arrest or search was illegal, that's a huge deal and will get a ton of evidence tossed or even the whole trial nullified.
Skip the first 1:50:00 of the video unless you like staring at doors and cops.
Seems like the cops planted all that evidence, not guilty
Even if they didn't plant it. If they fucked up the arrest and search, the evidence may not be admissible in court at all.
That would explain why they want to get anything related to it out in public any other way they can, like interviews and pseudo-documentary bullshit before even providing related materials to the defense team.
That TMZ "documentary" was fucking gross. Obvious right wing propaganda.
Or a mistrial
Nah, I've seen enough here, dismissed with prejudice!
I mean, plenty of people were saying that right when he was first arrested. The dude was able to evade capture for an entire week while the entire country was on the lookout for him… He even had time to leave memeable fake breadcrumbs, like his backpack full of Monopoly money… And yet he never thought to break apart the ghost gun he used, and dispose of it in random trash cans so they’d be virtually impossible to trace back to him? He had a goddamned manifesto on him, like it was a signed confession?
Yeah, no. His arrest smells like “accidentally” disabled body cams and planted evidence.
Not only was he illegally searched, but McDonald's is likely engaging in illegal facial recognition based surveillance, possibly in collusion with the federal government.
No way a random McDonald's worker could randomly point out that Mangione looks like the suspect, of which we had very few photos.
Not to mention the solitary confinement, although unfortunately, I'm not sure that's illegal, even given the 8th amendment.
Solitary confinement is absolutely unconstitutional, but good luck convincing someone that it's cruel and unusual if they've never been subject to it
Also, courts have repeatedly ruled that a punishment has to be both cruel and unusual to be unconstitutional. Which means that if the government just treats everyone like trash, it’s cruel but not unusual. Because the government is what decides what is unusual simply by adjusting how often it is used. If something is unusual and they want to change that, they just do it more so it’s considered usual.
Watch Murder in the First, Kevin Bacon and Christian Slater are amazing
Good point about the snitch. If it was an actual person, I feel like we'd all know their name by now, no matter how hard they tried to keep it under wraps.
Nancy Parker?
That rat nancy parker got nothin for snitching and got fired... good riddance
I feel like his trial is just gonna be a flex from the bourgeoisie in this class war. I love the man. I understand his struggles. But he's about to be "made an example" and I feel bad for him.
Make no mistake. This is not Republicans/Conservatives vs. Liberals/Democrats/Leftist. That's why Luigi was so dangerous to them. What is happening is class war. And unfortunately most of the proletariat are completely unaware of what side they are even on.
Liberals and Conservatives voters alike actually think they're on different sides. Meanwhile the capitalist class is just picking this system for scraps. They want this trial to go under the rug. Because it's actually the only thing all working class people agree on. It's a uniting issue that could spark a flame. And you can tell how worried they are based on media coverage. They are doing everything to make "a show" of it. From the perp walk to putting him in chains in court. It's a flex and a narrative. But I honestly think it's too transparent. I don't think they see that.
Remember, there are so many more of us then there are of them. Our numbers are all they fear. There is no chance for failure when it's 99% vs. 1%. Technology don't matter. Security don't matter. Their executive orders don't matter. Numbers matter. And they are absolutely afraid of those numbers.
Megathreads from the other place (sorry) with more info, livestream footage etc:
https://www.reddit.com/search/?q=luigi&type=posts&sort=top&t=day
Lemmy was oddly quiet a few hours after the trial, so I figured you'd all like to share in my rabbithole.
Luigi Mangione’s next scheduled court date is June 26, 2025. It is unclear if Luigi will appear for his Pennsylvania court hearings and there are currently no appearances scheduled for his federal case. If he is indicted on his federal charges, he will appear in person to be arraigned.
Fair and speedy my ass