THE LEMMY INSTANCE POLITICAL COMPASS
THE LEMMY INSTANCE POLITICAL COMPASS
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25427659
Enjoy a RARE piece of original content from your's truly, instead of a repost from deep in my dust-covered downloads folder
Was it exploding heads?
If you go to that instance, it's gone. Once everyone defederated from them, I guess it was over. Good. They can keep that shit elsewhere.
Was it exploding heads?
Believe so. Fuck them though, they don't even deserve to have their name written in the meme.
There was Wolfballs, which started out as a right-leaning free speech instance, but was obviously quickly overrun by trolls and fascists, so everyone defederated them and the owner decided to shut it down. As a result all the problematic people including the mods from Wolfballs moved to Exploding-Heads, which welcomed them with open arms despite also not being originally a pure right-wing instance. And yeah obviously they got defederated as well then...
It was nazi and had fucking loli shit on it. That made LITERALLY every instance defederate. Even the ones that were neutral said fuck you to them.
finally some good news
Lemmy OC? And interesting?! That's rare indeed.
Good attempt!
Where does the "likes data" come from for SJW?
Whenever I see the admins post, it's always with charts and details that I don't generally see (or at least, don't generally notice) from other instances.
Let me introduce you to the monthly reports of lemmy.zip:
At least at the start, the instance was mostly networking and sysadmin nerds. During reddit's APIocalypse, our admin started up the server and put up a detailed post about the hardware, infrastructure and benchmarking everything. Stuff like that is what drew me and many others to this instance.
First time I realised it has these initials. Is that on purpose?
My recollection of "the lore" is that the admin already owned "itjust.works" and thought "sh" would be a funny subdomain for hosting lemmy. I think the sjw initialism is just a coincidence.
Lol I love that SJW is listed as right wing for not explicitly being anticapitalist. Gave me a good laugh.
Yeah, I hadn't thought of political leanings when I signed up. I literally just googled for a list of instances, and the first instance that I successfully signed up with stuck. I tried .ml and .world first, but their signup pages were DoS'ed by the hoardes of redditors like myself fleeing when our apps died because of the api BS...
Can't say that I regret my instance though. When ml and blahaj are going off on each other, I'll grab some popcorn and sit back... But I've learned that you shouldn't engage with a .ml community, and the mods on .world are probably the most like the power hungry cunts on reddit.
There's quite some drama on !conservative@sh.itjust.works and !politicsunfiltered@sh.itjust.works if you're into that.
Excellent! Although you might need to shift LW more fully into the blue if they decide to implement the Flat Earth proposal that they strongly tried to push a month ago, before as you say walking that back in response to the enormous outcry against it. Were they to continue though, that would radically shift the balance of everything across all of Lemmy if all of those community mods gave up and had to find new homes elsewhere.
Legitimately think that they simply did not think the proposal through. It was pretty nakedly an attempt to push back at radical echo-chamber communities, without understanding that rules cut both ways, and in the process of trying to justify and clarify it without being 'ideological', managed to just highlight how absurd the proposed rule was to begin with.
The two big problems with .world's admins is that they're very much amateurs (which is a hard thing to avoid in our scenario here), and that they, like many centrists, have trouble discerning where their ideology begins and ends. They feel the need to phrase things in 'fair' and non-discriminatory terms, but in doing so, often blunder into self-contradictory positions, because ultimately, discrimination (in the sense of discerning and marking) between views is what all rules are based on. The kind of "The law is the law" attitude that people who are accustomed to following, but not making, law, are prone to. One hopes that a mixture of experience and pushback will improve them, with time.
But yeah, had they implemented that, they'd go more auth and right, and I'd probably be packing up all my comms to go to another instance. Again.
I'm going to quote @simple@lemm.ee on their comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/14430767
This is like the third time LW tried to be front-and-center in deciding how conversations should happen on Lemmy. You are the most popular Lemmy instance and most content is on your instance. This isnโt an experimental safe space instance to dictate how social media should work. Please understand that any weirdly aggressive stances you take affects everyone.
I could see that. I legit thought it was a good proposal to suggest at least this part:
If theyโre just saying something you donโt like, respectfully, and theyโre not spamming it, use your words instead of your moderation abilities.
Edit: I was probably overstating the case - it could be good, I suppose? Then again, why not leave it to the mods to decide what they want for their own communities? Yet the instance admins should also have a say what kinds of communities exist on their instance, especially if legality of content is part of the issue. It's definitely a balancing act no matter what.
Especially in light of some of the stuff that came before. But it definitely went off the deep end with the likes of:
Weโre going to allow some โflat earthโ comments. Weโre going to force some moderators to accept some โflat earthโ comments.
Woah, not the best choice of words there perhaps even if the concept itself was meant legitimately.
I would really hate to see the mods of e.g. !tenforward@lemmy.world have to put up with crap like that, or as you said it's more likely that they would simply step down as mods, and then hopefully migrate the community elsewhere. Unlike the debacle with 196, such a move there would be fully supported by the community members, in that case, I have zero doubts.
managed to just highlight how absurd the proposed rule was to begin with.
It was (unintentionally) the best thing they could do to show users it was a terrible blanket rule and also showed that they weren't smart enough to notice it was a terrible idea before making it public.
they, like many centrists, have trouble discerning where their ideology begins and ends.
I thought a centrist was someone between "Don't be Stalin" and "Don't be Hitler."
How would that place them in blue and not just yellow?
I dont think you get more freedom of speech when becoming more authoritarian
To be clear, I meant the blue of this compass, even though in many parts of the world it may differ, like in the USA red = maga while blue = liberal, but in the color scheme of this graphic those are reversed.
As for whether it would shift things more towards the yellow, I didn't even really consider that option: LW was just already split between red and blue and I was saying that it would shift more towards the authoritarian side, as in conservatives would then be allowed to spout their talking points whereas right now most conservative opinions are silenced (bc the vast majority of us are simply tired of hearing them spouted not in a good faith manner). But yeah I suppose it would also shift it in the libertarian axis as well.
The heckler's veto is not freedom.
There are a lot of groups which coordinate spreading of lies to shout down others and deter others from contributing, firehose of falsehood style, and allowing that does not contribute to free speech. It does not support sharing facts, it doesn't support healthy conversation, it doesn't help anybody learn or discover the truth. Allowing conspiracy theories and nonsense like that is a net negative.
You need moderators who are focused on making sure people feel free to join in good faith.
Flat earth? Were they trolling or really believed that stuff? A lot of flat earthers are just trolls that don't even believe what they are posting. They're just trying to get a reaction.
Have a look yourself: https://lemmy.world/post/24135976
I suppose the fun starts trying to slot other instances in there.
So reply with an instance and thrash out it's place on the graph.
SlrPnk.net is halfway between Dbzer0 and โleftโ.
feddit.uk - I won't comment as I'm biased.
YARR!
Do what you want cause a pirate be free, YOU ARE A PIRATE
I'm just here for the paws.
Hey, I am not Right. I am anarchist.
I think it's even funnier that we hand out labels right at the ticket stand to lemmy and turn around to say that labeling people based on norms is bad.
Someone needs to make a comic, you can't even make this shit up. Sign up for your next stake burning at a server near you.
Kanye West got a lemmy instance??
I'm a chill guy, I lowkey donโt give a shit.
Based and not giving a shit pilled.
poa.st is the nazi instance?
Why are these instances so big, but not others? Like if I made a public instance and allow people to join, would it become this big?
Also, where do .world instances fall on this map?
do .world instances fall on this map?
In the middle?
Why are these instances so big, but not others? Like if I made a public instance and allow people to join, would it become this big?
Depends on a lot of factors. The big 3 are:
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Reliability/accessibility. These instances all have significant capacity, good uptime ratio, connection speed, etc. All of those things necessitate expenses, of course, though not necessarily massive expenses. I believe sh.itjust.works gets by with less than 10k per year.
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Administration. Some people want a light hand, others a heavy hand; some want minimal bias, others want to see anyone who disagrees get the boot. In all cases, an active and responsive admin team helps.
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Communities. Power users drive social media. How active initial users and communities are drives future growth.
Oh, and all of these instances are several years old, including being extant at the Great Exodus back in '23, which significantly boosted everyone's numbers.
Also, where do .world instances fall on this map?
Lemmy.world is in the center; other .world instances are probably similarly placed.
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I strayed into dbzero without knowing what it was. Took me a few minutes of feeling like I was in the Twilight Zone before realizing they were all Libertarians and had a good laugh at myself for accidentally taking them seriously.