imagine

They're not sterile, but they will sue you if they find you've been growing seeds from last year's crops.

Or if your neighbours crops have germinated in your lands
- I don't think they've successfully sued anyone for that. The few cases I saw last time I looked people were intentionally germinating or saving/selling seeds.
Why invent technology to control people when you can just use the law?
No they won't.

They will sue you if you take your neighbors pesticide resistant seeds, sow them, douse them in pesticide so only the resistant ones survive, and sow your entire field with them.
- Yes, they will.
  
  You're taking the approach of an independent farmer that didn't sign a contract with Monsanto. What you said mostly aligns with that scenario.
  
  For the farmer that did sign a contract with Monsanto, that is a standard and required clause, and they do enforce it.
- Classic piracy. The original product is still there; you're just making a copy.
- You should be allowed to do that.

Finally. FINALLY. My ulcer grows every time I hear someone quote that list of evil things Monsanto does. Even though yes, they are evil.

Yea, they're evil enough with the pesticides, and the hostile takeover of farms. We don't need to make the genetic engineering they're doing, which is actually good work, to also be thrown under the bus
- I would agree if they didn't use their non-sterile plants to take over small farms around their huge ones by suing for theft when farmers used part of the previous crop that had been pollinated with the Monsanto GM pollen. They didn't buy that genome so it was stolen... Fucking wankers.
Monsanto doesn't even exist anymore. It was bought out by the totally not evil company Bayer a while back.

Of course Bayer has suffered quite a bit of indigestion over gobling up that morsel over the years.

The moratorium is actually since 2000, but only since 2006 in its current form. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_use_restriction_technology

Thankfully, no country, much less any multinational corporation, would ever dare cross the UN's nonbinding, unenforceable moratorium. Can you imagine how stern the tone of the statement of condemnation would be, once it was worded such that a reasonable plurality of countries would agree to back it?

I’m sure it’s already been done. Just locked away until nothing more than strong concerns can be voiced by ineffective authorities.
There would totally be an open letter and dozens of people would sign it

GMO skepticism or not, Monsanto is one of the most evil companies in the world and a perfect example of what makes the profit motive such an inefficient organizer of production and distribution

Also, most farmers use hybrid crops, which you already can't save, because they're hybrids. (You can save them, but they're not going to produce the same plants you get them from).

Whether a plant species is hybridized has little effect on whether it grows true from seed or only via cuttings.

Wild maple trees for example do not grow true from seed.
- Apples are a prime example.
- Wild maple trees for example do not grow true from seed.
  
  How do they reproduce?
- I don't think you quite understand what a hybrid for annual crops is. Hybrids in trees are fundamentally different. Same word different meaning.

Does anyone else feel like this entire post and most of the comments are coming straight from a Monsanto bot/shill factory?

You've never been on reddit? If someone mentions Monsanto anywhere, the thread gets flooded with shills. There are whole subreddits devoted to finding posts to shill.
That's what I love about small social media outlets like Lemmy. The big corporations just don't bother monitoring and influencing us, it's not worth it. We can speak freely here. You can just tell me your real name and where you live, without fear of someone abducting your family.

Yeah, except the vast majority of seeds are infertile, meaning they can't be replanted, means the "good ol boys" can't survive.

Where the fuck do people come up with this shit?

No the "vast majority" of crops are not infertile. They are hybrids. Farmers buy the seeds because of a genetic phenomenon called heterosis AKA hybrid vigor. It takes expertise and a shit ton of money to make hybrid seed. If growers could get the same performance from saving their own seeds only an absolute dumbfuck would buy seeds from a seed company.

Now there are a few species that hybrids can only be made by taking advantage of mutants that have male sterility genes. The resulting hybrids are still fertile (produce viable female gametes) but need an outside source of pollen. Examples: onions, sunflowers and carrots.

The only "sterile" seed sold is seedless watermelon aka triploid seed. Seedless watermelons are only sold because the market demands it thanks to a push by the USDA after being created in Japan pre-WW2. The margins on seedless watermelon seed are often 40-50% less than hybrid diploid seed. And don't get me started on the research cost - 14-15 generations for a new female line versus 7-8 for seeded types.
- Most hybrids do not produce fertile seeds. You can test it out if you want but it doesn't work. I used to work for a seed company. Beyond that, without fertilizer the soil itself is dead in the vast majority of farming land.

Isn't one argument against GMO that they could spread and outcompete other crops? In that case a terminator gene would even be a good thing?

That's exactly why the original terminator gene was a joint USDA-ARS /delta-pine effort. The USDA-ARS was looking for ways to prevent GMO species from escaping and causing issues.

You know the shit that actually happened. For example -

Creeping Bentgrass

https://www.opb.org/news/article/gmo-grass-oregon-creeping-bent-scotts-monsanto/

Wheat -

https://www.nature.com/articles/499262a

Corn/teosinte

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167880918301075
- This sounds like the back of a Crichton novel, and I want to read it

Unfortunately terminator seeds very much are a thing North America.

https://cases.open.ubc.ca/monsanto-and-terminator-seeds/

Fortunately what you linked says nothing of the sort. You are in this meme
That entire page says "this would be a bad thing to exist". But it doesn't. There are no commercial terminator seeds.
- Well, it says “this would be a bad thing to sell,” my read is that it exists and Monsanto owns the IP.

I'm the guy on the left just because until for-profit corporations are reigned in I don't trust them with control of anything.

Whatever the case, fuck Monsanto; free the seed.

https://osseeds.org/

You know that Lemmy has made it when the Monsanto shills from Reddit join.

What about seedless watermelon

That's treated with a chemical to keep it from making seeds.
- Not even close.
  
  Seedless watermelons are a triploid. These are hybrid between a tetraploid female and a diplod male. The plant has three copies of every chromosome and is unable to produce fertile gametes aka completely sterile.
  
  Fruit formation is triggered by fertile diploid pollen (planted in the field In a 4:1 ratio). The fruit then continues to grow without embryo formation in the fruit seeds (pips).
- So, the same applies to seedless grapes?
- Seriously? I assumed sterile hybrid

Companies DO irradiate non organic ginger though, sterilizing it, before shipping it to stores.