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loops doesnt federate with anything. doesnt even allow 3rd party apps. its marketing dept is more capable (re annoying) than its devs.
- It does technically federate a little, @dansup@loops.video exists. Not real federation, but I enjoy being technically correct 🤓 I do wish dansup open sourced it already so people could get a better picture of what's going on with it, but he did say he's actively working on federation this weekend.
  It does allow third party apps like Loopy, where are you seeing that it doesn't?
  
  i just saw a couple places where he shit on people building 3rd party apps against its undocumented public api. hes not exactly the greatest person based on his public comments.
- ...Yet
  
  right so theyve said for _ 8_+ months now.
  im sick of seeing it included in fediverse projects when it still doesnt actually do any federating and everyone keeps sayin, 'just wait, theyre working on it!'.
  bullshit. ill believe it when i see it, and it shouldnt be included in any fediverse topics until it does so... not because 'it might'
FYI, join-lemmy is known to recommend unmanaged or slow instances: https://lemmy.world/post/24220536
I usually go with
"Lemmy has 42k monthly active users
https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
https://vger.app/ if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
- Specific reason for recommending sopuli? I quite like them but isn’t it more of a hobby project run by a single person? As we saw with kbin and feddit.de the single person run instances can disappear quick.
For anyone in the USA, I highly recommend the Discuss.Online instance - it has a great server and admin team, as evidenced by its fantastic uptime stats, plus is quite welcoming to casual discussions. I bounced around a couple of different instances before making this one my primary home and have had zero regrets since.
Also if anyone wants to see a peek of what's coming up in the future, while it's just shy of being fully ready for the masses yet, PieFed is an amazing project that will soon enough overtake Lemmy. It already has tons of features that Lemmy lacks - like Categories of Communities, hashtags, YouTube embedding, an absolute ton of customization options, and much more - even if there are a few still missing in reverse (like "searching" for content, user account tagging, the ability to preview a message prior to sending, receipt of notifications is quite buggy... - for early adopters though, it's almost fully functional, especially for someone experienced in knowing how to fall back to Lemmy when necessary).
There are lots of exciting things happening on the Fediverse lately!:-)
- I don’t like the idea of saying this federated thing will overtake/be more important than that federated thing. If Piefed is doing it right, Piefed users will be able to see everything on Lemmy and Lemmy users will be able to see everything on Piefed.
  User’s choice should grant access to everything.
  Federated networks are not competing with each other, they’re cooperating with each other against silo’d, closed networks run by corporations. Or at least that’s how it should be.
  
  I am responding to you from PieFed right now, so yes that works:-).
  Sublinks plans to go even further and be backwards compatible with existing Lemmy databases, for conversion of current instances rather than having to spin up a new one fresh and thereby lose all the old content.
  Mbin likewise ties in not only with Lemmy but with Mastodon as well (plus others such as Friendica can connect with Lemmy as well, but with varying degrees of success).
  So I get what you are saying, I do, but also if some features - like hashtag support - aren't supported by all platforms, then the method of access can have such an enormous difference in terms of what "content" someone is able to access, even if staring at raw API calls from those various sources, that it seems to represent more than merely a method of access to the same material (imho at least).
  More to the point, I meant that PieFed is written in Python (and Sublinks in Java iirc, and Mbin in PHP), whereas Lemmy written in Rust moves much more slowly ahead in terms of new features, as far fewer people know it.
  Also the developers of Lemmy have a very noticeable bias towards authoritarianism that influences what the implementation is allowed to do - e.g. when a mod or admin removes content, there is no user notification nor any way to appeal that (as Reddit does with the modmail), and an entire post thereby disappears even for the users having deeper discussions no longer involving the OP, which end up getting squashed as well.
  I doubt that will change even in the timeframe of several years, especially considering how a year ago Lemmy users were told that we would gain the ability to block users from an instance, which when the feature rolled out that only mutes communities but leaves all the trolls free to harass users on other instances that haven't dared to defederated from them, showed us that the promises made in that regard were not serious. e.g. from Hexbear or even mods on Lemmy.ml, like that incident where the mod told a user “I hope you die soon.”, after saying that they - the mod - wanted to kill the user whose comment they had removed, over some trivial depiction of a kiss between people dating in a game. Yet to this day that same mod retains an account on that instance, protected by the admins and free to continue their pattern of abuse across the entire Fediverse. Moreover, "notifications" from instances that people choose to block used to be silenced, but then that protection was later removed, and to this day there remains no way in the Lemmy web UI to halt a barrage of messages from users that can continue for WEEKS and WEEKS (I'm not joking - this has happened to me, TWICE!), long after the person has lost interest in receiving such. (Tbf, some apps may provide that, I'm not sure, but I'm talking here about what "Lemmy" provides innately.)
  TLDR: I've mostly given up on Lemmy - the platform I mean, not the users on it - to ever improve such matters. At which point I am pinning my hopes on PieFed, Mbin, and Sublinks moving forward, bc those "minor differences" in the codebase make ALL the difference in terms of avoidance of harassment i.e. the reception of the end user experience.
I know Element is somekind of chat but does it use activitypub?
- Element uses matrix, a federated protocol for chatting. It's federated just not with us.
- It’s a corporate built frontend for a decentralised FOSS messaging protocol (Matrix) ~~that has activitypub federation~~
  
  No ActivityPub federation, but otherwise yes.

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