China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals
China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals
www.telegraph.co.uk
China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals
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Whaaat? But China said they weren't doing that. China wouldn't just lie like that, would it?
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Dual-use goods
Such goods are classified as dual-use, meaning they also have civilian purposes, allowing China to skirt international sanctions and claim that it conducts only legal trade with Russia
The "international sanctions" btw:
You can't just unilaterally decree someone can't be traded dual use goods
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Not sure if you understand the meaning of "unilateral".
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It's the informal group known as the International Community.
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Those are pretty international, y'know. What would your criteria be for calling sanctions international?
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A large majority of the world engaging in sanctions and not the usual suspects regularly framed in the press as the "international community." It's framed that way to imply that the entire world is doing it besides a few "rogue states" like China, North Korea or Venezuela, as if they were handed down by the UN or the world is united in agreement with the western sanctions regime. What would be far more accurate than "international sanctions" would be "western sanctions."
For a more immediate example of how framing effects perception, look at all the people in this thread upset about China giving Russia weapons. No weapons are listed, just drones, helicopters, and metals. Upon opening the article you'll see the drones arrived before the war and are presumably consumer electronics, and there are six undefined types of helicopters. Some posters even mentioned attack helicopters, as if the Telegraph would not be screaming about attack helicopters and not helicopters if that was the case.
It's a complete nothingburger and like all nothingburgers it plays with language to let you fill in the gaps using the context they have provided. Russia is being "armed" with some consumer drones, six personal helicopters, and metal, and the whole world is in uproar about it.
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You see, the global South doesn't matter because they're not white and European.
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China is widely suspected of supplying Russia with equipment and materials to support their war, however no-one has adduced anything concrete to support that theory so far.
The article itself doesn't cite much in the way of sources or evidence, other than mentioning a report by Molfar, the open source intelligence agency. Molfar has published reports on the same topic in the past, but there hasn't been anything recently.
If the Telegraph had new information or evidence they would be shouting a lot louder than this. This is most likely them covering up for a quiet day by dredging up some old rumours and repackaging them as news.
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In other news, China is also widely suspected of supplying Ukraine with equipment and materials to support their war.
Turns out, China isn't a single entity but a bunch of companies that want to make a whole ton of money by profiteering off of war.
The CCP doesn't care about the conflict so long as they can claim neutrality.
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Helicopters, drones, and metals they won't be able to use at Taiwan.
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Not sure that makes it any better. Oppressing a country vs. helping oppress a country.
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Politically it's better. Ukraine has 16 countries that committed over a billion Euros. We're not how many countries would back Taiwan.
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It:s a shame because supplying that gear to Ukraine would have helped China's reputation on the international stage and bolstered trade. It would have not been well received by the Kremlin but a losing army can't invade anyone else.
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Oh no! Not the DJI Mavic Pro! Whatever will they do without
*4/3 CMOS Hasselblad Camera *Dual Tele Cameras *Cine Only Tri-Camera Apple ProRes Support
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Probably not for long given the state of the Rouble and the economy. Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer and when it comes to the stuff China might be interested in, such as ores and oil, well you'd have to not send miners to the front to continue producing them.
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Russia provides a buffer, it's the same thing as North Korea. China aids NK to keep US allies as far away from themselves as possible.
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whaat ? China sending weapons to Russia !?
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I wonder if this'll lead to any sort of action against China. Generally people have thought that China wouldn't outright support Russia with war materials because they can't afford to be sanctioned by "the West", as they're much more reliant on trade with the EU and US
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Not metals!
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Would those unspecified metals be of good quality or is there a risk they might be the sub-par stuff that is said to be exported by unscrupulous Chinese companies?
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Give away trash, get better prices on oil
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The West is just going to have to be the first side to master dominion over the psi-powered mind worms.
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There is no surprise that communist China would and is supplying their northern neighbor.
If anyone is actually surprised about this, then maybe they'll be surprised when I give them an amazing deal of being able to buy the official deed to the Golden Gate Bridge for only $300 and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps. Just constant me at 123-456-7890 for details.
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does China have a choice?
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Yes
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Is there free will? Are we all living in the matrix? questions...
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when Russia becomes the third world nation in a proxy war.
Russia has been a third world nation since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Politicians just like to use the Russian boogeyman to scare people who remember the Cold War. Putin may be a monster, but China is the real threat.
Russia literally invaded two countries and stole their land and people. Your post is ridiculous.
but
ChinaAmerica is the real threat.FTFY
the least racist redditor on lemmy
China was considered a true partner of the West until 2008.
Sorry, but the real threat to what exactly?
Edited: aside from Taiwan, Hong Kong, several other nations in the east. My question was more in the context of China as a threat to anything in the western hemisphere. They are the eastern version of the US, no doubt about it.