Random street in Amsterdam. In North America, every bike shown would be a car...
Random street in Amsterdam. In North America, every bike shown would be a car...
Just to compare, this is the utopian dream for Toronto:
There are approx. 18 cars and trucks in that image.
They are taking up SIGNIFICANTLY more space, and are causing traffic.
Still, we keep saying, "give us more of this, please!".
Insanity or stupidity?
And all those old buildings would be torn down and replaced with McMansions, strip malls and big-box retail outlets.
Canadian checking in. A bike will never be a replacement for a truck (the best kind of vehicle for city driving) until the front basket can be mounted high enough that the rider cannot see a child in front of them.
Pff, who needs a high basket to not see children, when you can just look down at your phone like everyone else? Rookie 😎
Best I can do is cycling with no hands while looking at your phone (yes, they do it all the time, also carrying furniture, an umbrella, or a couple drunk friends).
You can put a tall piece of furniture upright into a cargo bike, does that work for you? Should work even for blocking out adults.
Look we all want to be a pothead cyclist sex worker in the paradise of Amsterdam, but they can't fit us all.
They have entire fried fish fillets being sold on the street for like 2€ it's stupid bro it's fucking stupid how good they got it.
I blame the civil engineers.
Edit: I visited Amsterdam during a work trip. They have a tram system that stops at every other street and goes up every other spoke of their bike wheel city. It's cheap and it runs almost all night. I was sharing a jazz cigarette (Marijuana joint) with a local after drinking many fine Belgian beers and remarking about this in a broken German the local was ever so polite to entertain and they laughed at me, telling me the tram was slow, hardly stopped anywhere and cost too much, next time I should just rent a bike.
They don't even know how good they fucking got it.
They have entire fried fish fillets being sold on the street for like 2€ it’s stupid bro it’s fucking stupid how good they got it.
I prefer the kibbeling (little chunks of battered cod). The smoked-eel sandwiches (broodje paling) are also great.
I go to smaller Dutch cities when I want a break from the neglected and incompetently-managed infrastructure of England. There are too many Vice-reading Joe Rogan fans in Amsterdam.
As for bike rental, last I checked, locals could rent an OV-fiets using an OV chipkaart (and presumbably the OV-pas coming in this year), but visitors can't do that. I've heard that there are workarounds, but I'm not convinced that they can be relied on to work.
They don’t even know how good they fucking got it.
That's because this way of city planning is normal there. You wouldn't think that making streets and sidewalks safe for human beings would be such a big deal, but to us it's unheard of!
When we put a pedestrian crossing with gasp, a signal, motorists around here lose their minds! Not really, they just ignore them. /s
That's because this way of city planning is normal there.
If we're allowed to factor in "normality" here, it's a good idea to add some context to what's got you so ornery..
It sucks that America's urban development came alongside the commercialization of cars, but here we are.
Yes Amsterdam is great, it's a beautiful city with great public transportation. It tracks that a city founded in the 13th century would be designed for a population that walks everywhere.
It's a strange comparison to make.
Perhaps in 500 years Americas infrastructure will suit whatever social transportation trend people will be arguing about online. Until then I'll just do my best to minimize my impact and try not to be a cock.
I’ll just drop this here
Ah, btw, this is Winterthur train station, backside.
And front side.
What a beautiful sight!
Half the bikes are abandoned, and one fifth is stolen. If they have the same ratios as in Rotterdam.
This is A bicycle parking lot at the main station in Utrecht. Now imagine to replace this amount of bycyles with cars and how much space this would take up. However, I still believe, that this is just a bicycle exchange station. You just leave your bicycle there and just grab another one when you leave. You ain't gonna find your bicycle anyways in this huge pile of bicycle.
There also a massive indoor bike parking structure by the central station in Utrecht.
You ain't gonna find your bicycle anyways in this huge pile of bicycle.
lol the amount of bikes has nothing to do with it. By that logic you wouldn't be able to find your car in a mega parking lot because there are so many cars. You just go to the place where you parked it? You don't start looking at the first car and then go to the second car and so on. You go directly to where you know it is. Granted you know where it is, of course...
As a matter of fact, it's probably more likely you would lose your car in a huge lot than likely you'd lose your bike here. This is a much smaller area to traverse and search, in case you forgot where you parked.
Also bikes have locks just like cars.
Ignore the FUD, folks, buy a bike today!
IIRC it's no longer true, but there was a time when the largest bicycle parking in the world was at Utrecht Centraal (the central train station).
The second-largest bicycle parking was on the other side of that same station.
actually, we somehow do
It's not a rental, but a normal parking, albeit a temporary one.
Now I want to eat Falafel. These Maoz guys made awesome falafel back in the ‘90s when I lived there.
These big American trucks are infesting our roads now too. They are technally not street legal because they are not measured to the same enviromental and safety standards compared to a European car for some reason beyond me.
The EU has not done anything yet, but there are many enviromental groups pressing the EU on getting these trucks banned.
Importing these trucks (and any truck) without paying any vehicle tax registration is getting cancelled in 2025 here in the Netherlands so let’s hope these trucks will get the fuck off our roads. This law was kind of a loop hole to import these trucks for cheap.
Quite a few of those ghastly RAM trucks where I am up in the mountains
If they find out it's me that's sticking the "Fuck your environment, I'm compensating for my micropenis" stickers on them, I'm fucking dead
Cheap as fuck on AliExpress
the Netherlands is so great! the train station near me has a giant bike parking garage, and only like 10 car spots, which are made just for bringing and picking up people. And from then its less than an hour to get from anywhere in the 'randstad', the part of the Netherlands with most cities, to another.
also, most Dutch neighbourhoods (/suburbs) have a single lane road which is also used by the bikers, meaning the cars are forced to go only as fast as the bikers.
I saw a YouTube comment on a cyclists video claiming Toronto to be "the anti-car capital of the world". If toronto is an anti-car city, i would hate to see how a "pro-car" city looks to them....
I saw a YouTube comment
Those are almost as shit as Facebook comments.
LOL. Putting in a bike lane makes any city "anti-car", if your only perspective is seeing the city through your metal cage 😂
But really, a pro car city is probably 20 lanes for every road with no sidewalks at all. Everyone is miserable, and traffic doesn't move. 🤭
I saw a video on YouTube calling road diets "The latest socialist assault on our freedoms!" It was from a semi-major news outlet too.
The other thing we do here is have many more cars than people. I live in a neighborhood where basically everyone has two spots per unit in their attached garage...many, many people spend a lot of their time trying to avoid parking tickets because they have to park their 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th cars somewhere else.
So, so, sooo much wasted money. I've got neighbours like that... one car for each family member. And none are driving outside the city on a regular basis.
After a quick Google search, snowfall average per year in Amsterdam is 6.1cm
Toronto is apparently 121.5cm
Biking in the snow is significantly harder, and the accumulation of snow in the road in winter makes it even worse.
I don't thin that's the best comparison to make
Just to counter that:
Snow in Toronto would rarely cause someone to not be able to bike. In fact, the only time it might be too risky to bike, is when it's also too risky to drive.
That said, Montreal gets more than twice the snow and colder winters compared to Toronto.
Yet they have been making an effort to encourage active transportation, and cycling over the winter has been increasing.
Even their ride share runs in the winter (it doesn't in Toronto).
If Montreal has a few bad snow days out of a few months in the year, and is still very bikable, then we should stop making excuses that people in Amsterdam can do it only because the weather is nice and the land is flat.
Also, the least bike friendly places in North America have great weather most of the year, and snow is never a concern (Dallas, Miami, Raleigh, etc.).
I think we're too used to making excuses to drive everywhere. It doesn't have to be this one-sided, favouring only cars.
Edit: I posted this in another reply, but I was biking in this the other day, and I live close to Toronto (close enough to bike):
we should stop making excuses that people in Amsterdam can do it only because the weather is nice and the land is flat
The land is definitely flat, but I don't think anyone would ever describe Dutch winters as nice. It's not as cold as in many Canadian cities, but the wind from the North Sea and the lashings of sidewise rain aren't easy to get used to.
Even if biking is safe when driving is safe in snowy conditions, it's still much more annoying to be a cyclist on a snowy winter day. You either have to sweat in a ton of layers or wear flimsy ones and be chilly every time you aren't in motion; having some environment to insulate you would be a huge advantage. I say this as someone who is not a driver but as an amateur cyclist (though not in the winter... yet).
I'm still figuring out how to make winter cycling feasible for me, and I think for most people it's a lot of dedication and commitment that the average commuter will not want to put in. Also, icy road conditions are the worst for pedestrians and cyclists; they can be bad for cars too, of course, but obviously car tires are much bigger and can withstand much more.
I work in Montreal.
People biking year round are very rare, and dping so require significant effort compared to using public transit.
I'm all for reducing car usage, but what I am saying is that solutions should be tailored to location.
Bike work for Amsterdam, great!
But I think cities where snowstorm are somewhat frequent should probably focus on public transit instead.
( I'll admit tough that I assumed Toronto weather was similar to here and didn't expect that much less snow! )
Would love to own a moped, but it stands out too much in a sea of cars to not get stolen
Apparently, using a cover while it's locked up can significantly reduce theft.
This is the strategy that "Cargo bike momma" uses with her cargo bike, in New York City... and she's a professor of criminology, so I trust her judgment when it comes to these things! LOL
And every other building would have been knocked down to make room for parking
Amsterdam is 59,324 times smaller than the US and it's average temperature is always above freezing. Someone there will never need to drive 100 miles in a snow storm.
Amsterdam is 59,324 times smaller than the US
I would hope so. It's a city, after all! It's nearly twice the size of Miami, and Miami is desperately car dependant.
and it’s average temperature is always above freezing.
Miami's is, too. Much warmer. Almost like you can comfortably walk or bike everywhere if cars didn't dominate the landscape.
Someone there will never need to drive 100 miles in a snow storm.
Out of curiosity, is it normal for 300 million people to be driving 100 miles in a snow storm all the time? If not, what's the point of bringing that up? The most populated states have beautiful weather nearly all year, so why choose to be stuck in a metal box?
Most Canadian and US cities who refuse to let go of car dependency look like the photo of Toronto, or worse. Those drivers aren't driving 100 miles in snow, they are statistically driving < 5 miles at a time.
FWIW, I was able to run errands by bike in this kind of weather just the other day:
Someone in florida will never need to drive in a snowstorm either, so all their cities are walkable right???
Driving 100 miles for most is not a daily occurance, most people stay within their city or metro area for the vast majority of their daily life. The size of a country is largely irrelevant when we are talking about getting around local city streets.
The best thing that can happen to Florida is to give most of it back to the alligators.
All the cities I've seen in Florida are walkable, yeah. Assuming you want to bike/walk when it is 100 degrees with 90% humidity. I'm sure the average octogenarian will have no problem with that.
In a random US city a lot of these bikes would probably be abandoned / with parts missing. Does Amsterdam have that problem? I've heard a lot of bikes go into the canal but I can't imagine this is a big problem. How does Amsterdam deal with theft / vandalism / bike abandonment?
You see a fair number of vandalized bikes. And some absurd number end up in a canal every year.
the stations usually have underground guarded bike parking lots, but if you put a nice looking bike in a bad part of a city and dont put a chain on it, it'll probably get stolen. And, of course, the drunk students throwing them in the canals.
This might sound bad, but its not actually that bad. if you just put a chain around it, nothing happens.
Theft happens, for the cheap ones it’s considered part of the natural lifecycle (no pun intended) of the bikes. They’re usually stolen by the local junks and sold for €10 in the next square over. But nicer bikes are usually locked to something fixed like a pole and insured. Still they’re stolen because people will cut the lock at night, yeet them in the back of a van and drive back to Eastern Europe.
Vandalism rarely happens afaik, why would someone go around and destroy random bikes? Not really a reason unless they’re like really drunk and an asshole I guess. Some indeed end up in the canal this way.
Bike abandonment is handled by the municipality. They’ll label bikes that look abandoned with a sticker that says “please remove this sticker or we’ll remove your bike in a week”. Works well.
In Amsterdam, drunk youths will kick in the wheels of bikes as they walk along. I've seen it, and even more, have seen the results. As to why, I'd guess that it's because they're arseholes.
why would someone go around and destroy random bikes? Not really a reason unless they’re like really drunk and an asshole I guess
Haha, sounds like England.
I always try to avoid leaving my bike anywhere too central for too long in my shithole town on Thursday, Friday , Saturday nights. The roaming gangs of twats love pringling wheels just for fun - I guess.
We used to have a decent bike place in the train station, but that's now ran by car park wardens who think a pair of painnears are a major terrorist threat.
...in my north american experience, those bikes would either be stolen or stripped within a day...
No it would take a while, more like a week.
But on day 1 there would already be at least one stripped bike already there.
I live in another very bike centric city, Copenhagen, and bike theft is ~0.5% of bikes every year. Many people lock the bike wheels here, some lock them to a rack/something else as well. It's a lot less locky than the US (where I used to live), but theft still exists.
Since everyone has more support and means here, there is a lot less incentive to steal a bike. It's of course punished harshly but rarely caught.
No clue how Amsterdam handles it or how prevalent it is
Way more prevalent but it's also kind of accepted as a part of life. People will have multiple bikes, the race one, the fancy one and a cheap one they bought 20€ from a local junkie and will get stolen again and resold the same way at some point. If you go somewhere with a safe spot for the bike you take the fancy one, if you're going out drinking you take the rust bucket.
That sounds like a non-issue.
Where I live, in Canada, I basically have to use two locks and an alarm on my bike.
Hell, thieves around here will break into garages or backyard sheds to steal a bike. Or right out of your apartment's bike storage.
I guess the point is, more bikes won't equal more problems 😂
When i was there, a lot of them weren't fancy bikes, just get around bikes. Even if there was theft they weren't much to lose.
Not true in plenty of cities like the one I live in (PNW) but go off I guess
Sure, if you're talking about Seattle then you've got a rarity. Even then, Seattle isn't even in the top 100, according to People for Bikes.
Visit a place like Huston, and you'd might as well stay home unless you've got a car.