Revolut, McDonald's, and Authy have banned the use of GrapheneOS.

This makes me want to use GrapheneOS more. If the dataminers don't want you to use it then it must be doing something right.

This is very bad news, because this means any app that wants your data could do the same.

Fuck both of these companies. Never used McDicks app in the first place. Spyware bullshit.

Odd timing considering I've banned McDonalds, Revolut and Authy from my phone.

Just to be clear, they banned all custom roms, not only graphene.

McDonalds? Uber?

They both have fully functioning webapps btw.

the problem here is not the banks or apps, the problem is Google Play Integrity API, which is supposed to enforce to run apps in secured phones and it is used to ban secured ROMs such as GrapheneOS and it allows to run apps on outdated phones without security patches.

Time to switch away from Auth I guess. Not even using GrapheneOS cause I have a Samsung phone, but this is not acceptable

Webapps everything you can like I do with Firefox and ublock origin. Fuck these assholes.

OK McDonald's, I will not use your most cost effective ordering method. I guess I will just have to order my 10 individually custom cheeseburgers at the counter instead. I might have to have e the order read back, and change my mind about a few burgers.

But like, why?

This surprises me because McDonald's app is hands down the worst app I've ever encountered in the history of all Android apps.

It's is sluggish, ignores touches/taps half the time, doesn't adhere to Android best practices for flow, crashes a lot, errors a lot, etc.

But OK McDonald's. Fuck off.

I can't prove it, but I'm 99% sure Lyft did the same thing. Had a perfect rating (and was even a driver at one point), and they banned me without explanation right after I switched to GrapheneOS.

Emailed them a few times asking for the reason, and they refused to tell me.

_"Legally, we cannot release any additional information except that we found your account to be violating our Terms of Service.

We will be in touch if we are able to reopen your account in the future."_

There's absolutely nothing else that they could've misconstrued as "violating the Terms of Service."

If Uber's going down the same path, no more ride-sharing for me I guess. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

FYI, grapheneOS devs added a list of apps to their wiki:

https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide#apps-banning-grapheneos

man, and i was gonna switch to graphene this christmas. if every app can just ban my OS, i might have to rethink this. i would use the website but they restrict so many things to apps now…

Is this not a sign of the true intentions on both sides of the dilemma here!?!?
Let us go to the end. We cannot afford to carry on in fear of these bans. Let the lines be neatly placed and the sides chosen wisely. If sustained profits are desired, the walled-gardens must come down.

Vote with your dollar and vote again with your data. Wary, but never afraid is the motto privacy comrades!

I don't think it's a coincidence that the shittiest companies are those, who enforce Google's broken and monopolistic "Play Integrity" API. Revolut has connections to Russia, McDonalds supports the Israeli genocide in Palestine and Authy has always just been a massive piece of shit, not even allowing users to export their TOTP seeds. These are three companies I would NEVER even consider using anyway.

And "Play Integrity" API actually does NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING for your security as an end user.
You use an outdated, unpatched Android version with multiple severe, publicly known exploits on an insecure device?
Google doesn't give a single fuck.
You use the newest version of Android with all the patches applied on Google's own hardware, with a locked boot loader and a hardened operating system?
That's not allowed by the "Play Integrity" API.
It's only purpose is to serve Google's monopolistic business interests.

Apparently, they don't need my business. Acceptable.

So, uh, the next version of GrapheneOS will probably come with some Android OS version spoofing tech that solves this - if there isn't something on F-Droid already.

Banks seem to be hit or miss, happy that mine works. Would rather switch Banks than use a stock Rom, though.

All the Uber stuff works in Browser, both eats and their fake taxi stuff.

Not having a subtle reminder to eat at McDonald's is probably better for you.

Honestly, if your app could be a website, and includes services not on your website, fuck you, I'm gonna go to the competition.

Lol I spent a week going back and forth with Revolut support in august. I could sign into the app but it would always ask me for a "selfie" verification and every time support would say its a super dark selfie.

Eventually I decided to try a stock ROM and it just worked and I realised what was happening so I transferred all of my money out and deleted my account.

Most local banks here are terrible at making apps, some even require a separate device that looks like a calculator to use online banking, so hopefully they wont follow suit anytime soon

Why would anyone load an app from McDonalds? You want to give them elevated access to your most personal data for a few dollars of coupons?

What are they taking from you that's worth more than the discounts they are giving you? Because they are definitely making a profit, or they wouldn't be doing it.

Can Graphene add a feature to run in emulation mode to allow apps to believe it's on an unrestricted OS?

Use the websites whenever you can. That's what I do at least. Although I had to stop using Lyft entirely, because they stopped supporting rides from their website apparently. And that leaves just Uber. I actually left my bank for a similar reason. It supported my phone just fine, and it worked without Google Play Services, but the website wouldn't let me do everything that the app would, and the app required that I have Aurora Store to download their banking app from the Google Play Store, and I wanted to get away from that, so I switched banks so that I could use the bank website instead. From what I can tell, you run into this kind of stuff a lot with FinTech apps. But if you use older banks, like Discover or Wells Fargo or things like that, they tend to work better. Maybe because they're not up with the newest technology, LOL.

This sounds like an antitrust legal problem...

Well that's bad. I've been using revolut for years now.

Does anyone have a suggestion for a new bank that's operating under european law?

Authy has been utter garbage for a long time and if you ever needed a reason to migrate away then now is as good as ever.

Well, Google is known for destroying its opposition.

fuk em keep using it

If a business makes it too difficult to use them I just use someone else. I'm sure they understand that but are making a killing at the expense of other people.

Their loss.

Would not updating Revolut keep the app compatible as long as you don't sign out?

If so, don't update the app and write down the build number of the last app version which worked on GrapheneOS. That way you would have a bit more time to sort things out.

Google has ruined Android by closing it up.

EU needs to step in and force Google to open it up.

While at it, go for Apple's monopoly as well.

Revolut seems to continue working as of now on my PIxel 7. I'm transferring the money out just in case. Any idea when are they going to stop them from working?

I haven't switched my phone yet, but will do so soon. Does anyone have experience with compatibility layers on phone, akin to wine? I unfortunately cannot go without my public transport apps, and they're android or IOS only. I've looking into postmarket OS, but open for suggestions.

Can I simulate another OS environment for these kind of apps?

womp womp.

I just switched, looks like uber is working for me

Oh great, I guess I'll have to change my payment info for everything now. Fantastic.

Anyone tried waydroid or android in an emulator for these type of apps ?

The list of apps that want to invade your privacy populates itself?

Small OT: In the article it's mentioned also the app "IO" (italian for the english word "I"). There are also other important italian apps not working without play services. The serious thing is that that apps are almost mandatory to do the ordinary public administration bureaucracy. We can say that the italian state forces its citizens to use a smartphone with Google Play Services installed. This is no sense.

Are there any checker apps to see which of user's installed apps have this? Looking up "Play Integrity API" only finds the checkers for the phone itself...

Just run PWA instead no?

I use Authy under a separate work profile on graphene with no issues 🤔

They're already in contact with US agents to bring Google to justice

I swear I am so close to jumping into the void of mainline linux on phones.

The only main issue is device drivers, but I would be fine happily extracting them from android or making new ones. Modern Android is a complete full stack POS.

@Sunny
Gatekeeprs of wealth sticking together against the ambition for freedom of poorer people?
Oh, color me surprised. 🙄

(I want to de-Google step by step, thanks for the heads up).

It always seems that with finance we take 2 steps forward and 1 step back. That's why Bitcoin will never stop existing.

Seems like my time to move away from Authy. Any drop in alternative for iOS? Ideally I could export services and load them back, not manually adding/removing 1 by 1. Even if I can't though, suggestion still welcomed.

I use McDonalds App all the time on GOS this only affect you if you use Google Pay when checking out to my knowledge.

This is actually good, see it as an enrichment of your life. The only sad thing is Revolut though.

As an alternative to Authy I recommend Stratum (previously known as Authenticator Pro) https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/com.stratumauth.app

This due to its compatibility with Android wear (companion)