Donald Trump didn’t win by a historic landslide. It’s time to nip that lie in the bud
Donald Trump didn’t win by a historic landslide. It’s time to nip that lie in the bud
In 2024, we have a new post-election lie – Trump didn’t just win, Republicans say, but he won big. He won a landslide. That’s false
Summary
Donald Trump and Republicans are falsely framing his 2024 election win as a historic “landslide” and sweeping mandate, despite the data showing otherwise.
Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6%, the smallest margin for a winning president since 1968, and his 307 electoral votes rank low in U.S. history.
Crucial Senate and House gains were limited, with Republicans relying on gerrymandering for their narrow House majority.
This exaggeration of victory serves to justify potential power expansions, but the facts debunk claims of an unprecedented or overwhelming mandate.
It’s time to nip that lie in the bud
Frankly, I'm sick and tired of nipping MAGA lies in the bud every day. It's been the better part of a decade of this bullshit already... I fucking hate that my countrymen chose this for us for the next four years. Fuck every Trump voter, but a much bigger fuck you goes out to all the jackasses that stayed home on the 5th. You're complicit, and I don't give a shit why you think fascism is "okay" as long as you got to punish the Democratic Party for your grievances.
Exactly, until media reframes this from distraction politics to a call to action none of this matters. Wake me up when we have a functioning government again.
I'll be focusing locally on building mutual aid networks and contributing as much as I can to local policy and governance.
I think the bigger message is that our information environment is totally screwed.
The eye-opener for me was watching our local news station interview college students coo and rave over how "strong" he was and repeat (apparently not) obvious misinformation.
It wasn't about apathy, not really... He just won an influencer war. And now the CEO of Twitter is basically president..
If you voted for Harris, you're complicit, and I don't give a shit why you think blue fascism is "okay" as long as it means your rights are protected at the expense of others
Edit: to be clear, I mean complicit in the currently occurring Palestinian genocide and overall maintenance of the status quo
"If you voted for the only other viable option in the election, you're responsible for Trump" is a very strange claim.
Doesn't matter. He won the presidency. He has demonstrated his entire life that he will just do whatever he wants and dare the world to stop him. (Narrator: They haven't.) Now he also has near-complete criminal immunity once he's inaugurated. He's already stacking up appointees who are going to follow his orders.
"B-b-but Senate confirmation --" Shut the fuck up. Whoever he wants to be in charge of departments is going to be in charge of departments. Don't appoint anyone else, throw "Acting" in front of the title, done and done. What is anyone going to do about it? Fucking nothing.
Of course it matters. It doesn't matter to trump but the public is not trump
Maybe if we correct the Republicans they'll listen. Yeah, that'll work.
Republicans are trying to gaslight us by calling Trump's win a landslide. The point isn't to correct them; it's to make sure we don't believe the lies they tell us.
It's not gonna win anything and we shouldn't act like it will.
Still, no reason not to be correct about it. He's gonna try and make his delusions national news, so, gotta have the reality out there.
Maybe the media themselves shouldn't have been running around talking about the absolutely massive and devastating defeat the Democrats suffered the day after the election... Maybe they should have waited for all the results?
Nahhh... Clicks clicks clicks! It's all that matters! Money money money!
All corporate media:
That really doesn't make me feel that much better about it, but I guess we're mostly trying to find the corn in the shit on this one, so thanks?
They already have power. They don't need a justification for expansion they'll just do it.
Yes and no. All power, ultimately, depends on compliance. Even autocracies. There would not have been a "divine right of kings" if kings did not have a pressing need to assure people of their right to hold power.
The "mandate" narrative is aimed at convincing everyone that their objections are in the minority. That even if they stand up and say something, they'll simply be the odd one out.
Power ultimately depends on violence. Violence can create compliance and vice versa, but the violence and compliance with violence is what's fundamental. These politicians are very capable of overwhelming violence. It's a crucial part of their function. It's been the norm as long as states have existed.
There wouldn't have been the "divine right of kings" if kings were unable to torture and murder people.
That's not going to fly when the entire country saw him sweep the swing states. That's part of the fuckiness of the EC, he only won by a tiny margin but visually state after state went red on the TV.
This is one of the reasons I hate talking in abstracts. I hear people talking about landslides, but what does that mean numerically? If there was a vote with a pool of 10 people and a candidate got 6 of those is that a landslide? Is 9/10 a landslide?
Some people talk "landslide" but without knowing what that means, it makes it hard to have a conversation.
Have you seen the crowd in his 2016 inauguration? It was huuuge. Or how he fit 80,000 people in a 20,000 capacity venue.
People should know by now that he exaggerate everything including the size of his mushroom penis.
Fungi are not amused by association with Trump's penis.
Wait, did a major outlet just use "lie" in its headline?
I'm impressed. Even for an op-ed.
Anyway, this cannot be repeated enough. I'm already sick of people trying to say it's "historic", it's a "landslide", etc....give me a break.
Who cares about the label? The only descriptor that matters is "President-elect Trump" and that one is not in dispute. The rest is either semantics or copium that doesn't impact anything in a material fashion.
Well, I can only speak for myself in that terms and facts matter. And I'm not one for letting fascists frame the narrative; they'll keep pushing the Overton window and pushing and pushing...
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Half of Lemmy seems to believe that Trump won by a landslide. Remember a comment upvoted like crazy yesterday talking about how hard he won.
I mean I get it, the fact that he won by any amount is horrifying but nuance exists. I'm glad to see this article attempting to clear it up
Well, however you want to put, in terms of control Republicans won The House The Senate The Presidency
So yeah that's a lot. Whether it's because Trump "won" it or the Democrats "lost" it, the end result is going to be pretty heavy
What's being discussed here though is the margin he won by. Which is smaller than many seem to suggest
When I was younger I thought the saying was, "nip it in the butt"
I dunno it always made sense to me.
Anywho carry on
I thought it was "nip it in the butt" as well. Listening to Les Mis 10th Anniversary Edition, the way the gentleman who plays Javert always sounded like "butt" to me as well.
To answer the other commenters question of what would that mean: for years, I thought it meant "nip" like a dog will nip your finger, and "in the butt" was like, "you'd pinch em in the butt" to get them to stop whatever they were doing.
Also thought the line "Burnin' up his fuel, out there, alone" in Rocket Man was "Burnin' up the atmos-PHERE, he's gone" for years before a friend corrected me.
In states where he won, it was either a blood-red wave, or barely past 50%.
I mean, yea? What are the other options?
He won bro. He's president of the ENTIRE COUNTRY it doe at matter how you cope.
He does everything he blames the other side of doing, which means he cheated. Ballot boxes were burned. Mail-in ballots went "missing". They rigged the election just well enough for it to not be glaringly obvious to those who weren't paying as much attention.
You went around telling people that about Obama and Biden too, right?
Yeah. That's how elections work lmao
yeah we know, what's your point
Yea. Cool story bro. It's a sporting event. Put on your cheerleader outfit and jump around.
(P.S. that is what you sound like)
Ok
Too late. It's that whole thing where it takes ten times the effort to undo misinformation than to introduce it (or however that goes). This narrative is here to stay. Those who try to counter it will just be in the role of the "Well Ackchyually" guy in the conversation
Well, facts do matter. And as much as possible, sane people need to push back on fascists just redeclaring terms to mean something else. They keep trying to do the same thing with the term insurrection. They have been calling anything and everything an "insurrection" to try to dilute the fact that their so-called president stoked a real insurrection.
I'm not in disagreement
A lie can make it around the world before the truth even has a chance to put it's shoes on.
Bad actors take advantage of this so often I'm surprised truthful material gets out into the world at all.
I quote the lyrics of the ABBA's song: "The winner takes it all - The loser’s standing small". And this is the truth: in a few years, no one will ask how DT won the election. He simply won and has a strong mandate to pursue his policy. - n'est-ce-pas?
Lies are a crucial foundation for fascism.
This is one defeat that I think we can no longer blame on Russian interference.
Kamala Harris was such a disliked candidate that she lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that previously tried to spark a right wing insurrection against Congress. A convicted felon whose previous tenure led to the Supreme Court bringing back state level abortion bans, and who was running on the manifesto of turning America into a right wing Christian theocracy staffed by Trump loyalists. Not even Hillary Clinton did this terribly.
Biden should never have ran for a second term, given that he was already showing signs of forgetfulness four years ago, and when he was eventually pushed to resign, the Democrats should have held a snap primary instead of immediately backing Harris.
That horse left the stable a long time ago. Once the MAGA crowd latches onto something they don't let go. They're still claiming TFG won in 2020, for crying out loud.
Doesn't mean everyone else has to coddle them in their stupid fantasies.
Yeah but history is written by the victor so that’ll be cleared up by the Trump regime eventually
Did Mehdi really write this on the 3rd? I've heard him saying this at least a week ago. Seems kinda pathetic to rehash this over and over again.
