if they claim a 15lb Turkey feeds 12, how am I supposed trust any of the other numbers?
Or how 1 GW/(200 W/person) came up with a number that started with a 3 instead of a 5. Like 5 million people, not 30 million.
But it only takes 3.5 hours per turkey and a day has 24 of them. So if some people get up at 3am it works out!
Can we also talk about the way they chose to manipulate the perception of the data by their choice of states
LOL, it's a reverse population map. Works on the stupid because "lots of orange!"
There are states with populations higher than 30 million. Like yea that's a lot of people, but the cherry picking of states is annoying
Rookie Numbers. It only uses electrical power generated. Why not cook turkeys in heat destined for cooling towers ? Gotta push those numbers way up.
Or just toss all the turkeys into the reactor
Restricted sous-vide basin
Turkey control rods
The fun part of this is this is true of any 1GW power source. We have been deploying solar+battery arrays in that range recently for much less money and much faster than nuclear.
Thanks "Office of nuclear energy" for pointing out how useful large scale solar+battery is too!
I really don't get this ackshually business about nuclear power, we're absolute idiots to not employ it more. Everywhere there's been a focus on nuclear power generation we're seeing reliable results over a long long timespan
It's sort of too late for nuclear though. They take years to build and cost a fortune. The time to invest in nuclear power on a large scale was probably 10 years ago (although, was it as safe then? I don't know)... Right now we need answers that get us away from fossil fuels much, much quicker. Nuclear may still be a part of the picture, but renewables are more pressing.
The problem with nuclear is: business wise, it is a TOUGH sell to the public, even without the anti-nuclear lobby groups fighting with safety propaganda.
It takes a much higher capital spend to start up nuclear than any other type of plant, so you won't "break even" for 30 plus years, if ever.
It doesn't help when there are high profile sites that are being refurbished, whose costs are already phenomenaly high, and then the managing firm fucks it up (I'm looking at you Crystal River).
It makes it high risk, financially. And it's the public that ultimately ends up paying.
My hope is that SMR's become viable. They introduce a new factor though. If you get small, "cheaper" nuclear plants, then you will get more operators and you will get some that may run fast and loose. One fuck up can ruin it for everyone.
I can accept the argument that it's safe and effective but the public irrationally won't accept it. Seems to have been a pretty good sell on the other side of the curtain though
SMRs also produce significantly more waste for the amount of power generated.
How is this a meme?
2.5 Million Turkeys... and 500-1500 cubic meters of impossible to store basically forever radioactive nuclear (LILW) waste😋😋😋
1500 cubic meters
Did you really pick the figure from the RBMK reactor type?
For PWRs, 250 m³ of LILW per GW annum is 28.5 m³ of LILW per TWh.
2.5 million turkeys in a 2.4 kW oven for 3.5 hours uses 0.021 TWh.
So 2.5 million turkeys and 0.6 m³ total low and intermediate wastes generated. Most of this can be released after ~300 years with negligible activity over natural background. That is a long time but not "basically forever".
I'm not sure where they got those numbers.
All nuclear waste produced to date isn't 500-1500 cubic meters.
As to storage. Just bury it again. We dug it up, we can bury it. There are a few places that are currently doing just that.
Or, here a wild idea. Just burn the waste. It's something like 90% unburned fuel, just reprocess it and burn it.
The source for that number is the International Atomic Energy Agency aka the nuclear control agency. As for the rest of your ideas, its sadly not that easy. It has to be stored somewhere where it cant contaminate the environment, water cant get to it, tectonics are stable, etc. No permanent storage location for the waste has been found, to date.
And to burn the unburned fuel you would have to breed the material, which is a process that requires the most dangerous reactors and is extremely costly.
Yeah, what about the waste, gonna eat that with your Turkey?
Wow, didn't realize how anti-nuclear Lemmy is after looking at this comment thread.
Didn't think people smart enough to use Lemmy would fall for american nuclear lobbying.
Guys come on you can't really think nuclear is better then renewables and everyone who thinks differently is having an agenda.
If something like this ends up in my feed I wanna talk to the people and see how they ended up with such "interesting" positions, that's all.
(For what I can tell most are Americans and influenced by local consent manufacturing)
I wouldn't say nuclear is better than renewables. I would say it's a good at providing base load as we transition from fossil fuels over to renewables. That's all.
Ah yes, the great and powerful American nuclear lobby... That hasn't sold a new reactor in 30 years.
Most people support nuclear because it's the best base load generation method, and that can't be replaced by renewables.
You're literally less than a degree of separation from the "nuclear is a Chinese psyop" people.
Now calculate how many generations of turkeys will be eaten till the waste stops killing people
Edit: can't believe how many people here are falling for nuclear. Have you all learned nothing from what companies did with fossil fuels? Taking the profits and leaving humanity with a fucked up world? And now you are falling for the same stuff with nuclear again, I assume this is the discourse in america which is so scewed? Here in Europe people are not that naive... Even the ones in France, which is quite into nuclear are reasonable and see the waste problem normally.
And here on Lemmy people really come and say "nuclear waste isn't dangerous, it didn't kill anyone"
Wtf people?!
How many people has all the waste we've produced kill up to now?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll
Quite a few (if you remember not even a fraction oft its life time is over by now)
Also: radiation doesn't kill right away. Often you live 10 more years with weird symptoms and die from something like heart attack, so your death isn't counted as "caused by radiation exposure" but as "died from cancer" or "heart attack"
Nuclear waste is indeed a problem, however it is a contained problem that can be isolated. Oil's byproduct are distributed into the atmosphere and are killing every living thing on earth. Do you know how many people die every year due to pollution from burning fossil fuels? It's orders of magnitude worse. The fear of nuclear waste, while absolutely an issue, is so incredibly blown out of proportion compared to the silent killer that is fossil fuels.
You people always come and compare to oil.
THATS A STRAWMAN NOONE IS ARGUING FOR OIL
yes short term the rising temp by climate gases is prob worse, but you need to compare it to actual alternatives, like wind, water, sun -.-
Everyone fucking knowes that oil needs to be stopped from being used better yesterday then today, but this doesn't make nuclear any better
Things lemmy loves: imperial propaganda, corporate propaganda, genocide, joe and kamala, liberalism, blaming (non)voters, anti-russian racism, etc.
Still better than reddit.
If people didn't all turn their oven on at the same time but took more of a staggered approach this would supply a lot more people.
No, it's already wrong even for realistic staggered dinners.
I think they are using an arbitrary GW-day of energy instead of power, so it can't even come close to making as much turkey as claimed.
They're over by a factor of 6 which would add up to 21 hours, not 24. I don't know what they've done to get 2.5 million, it should be 417 thousand with those numbers.
Edit: Oh dear. They said each oven could completely cook 6 turkeys in a day so they rounded to that number. At least it no longer reads GW/day.
The source
Time zones probably help with that!
in a country where half of the presidents cant even pronounce nukular....and the only usecase for nukular is make some machines like openAI work cheaper. go eat the nukular waste george.
If you cook me a 15lb turkey in 3 1/2 hours that burnt dry shit is going in the trash.
- Dude standing by a smoker with 10 lbs of pork ribs for the past 4 hours
With Vogtle expansion costing over $15B per gw, that is $6000+ per fed person, before counting the cost of importing uranium from Russia.
Also without storing the nuclear waste.
or security costs, including the promised good time of civil war that get's floated around.
Corporate propaganda power!
