Its writer alleged, "In my view it is a near certainty the results have been changed at a scale which reversed the [2024] U.S. presidential election."
Here you go, a "real" source. He said there were more bullet ballots than there likely really are, but there's still a really suspiciously high number of them. How is this not at least worth investigating?
However, Snopes' research, in which we compared the vote tallies cited by Spoonamore with the latest official election results, found his figures to be incorrect and his assertions to make no mathematical sense.
Sure, investigate. But what though? You need evidence of something before even alleging a crime.
Things can be anomalous and abnormal and not be nefarious. Abnormality isn't evidence of criminality. So, why investigate? Because the number of bullet ballots is slightly higher? A more reasonable explanation is that some people cared more about president than other down ballot elections.
What seems more likely, 1) A vast conspiracy involving the Trump campaign, a group of hackers, Elon Musk and various employees at his super PAC, along with countless other shadowy actors in a cabal that supposedly hacked the vote—an elaborate plot divined by one guy who has gotten nearly every data point verifiably wrong and has provided zero evidence for his related claims, yet somehow “got it right.” Or, 2) A small number of Trump voters simply didn’t care or know much about other offices or candidates and just voted for Trump and left the rest blank?
Right.
It’s genuinely sad to watch people grasp at conspiracy theories like this. Conspiratorial thinking is strongly correlated with feelings of insecurity, low agreeability, narcissism, intolerance of uncertainty, a lack of control, fear, and tendencies toward confirmation bias and proportionality bias. So while it’s not entirely surprising to see some on the left indulging in this kind of thinking—just as Trump supporters did and do—it’s still disappointing to witness.
You didn't read the article did you? Or even the snopes "correction" of it? Pls do that before discounting it as fake, being wilfully ignorant about this does nobody any good
"The election wasn't stolen! And if it was then it actually didn't matter and he would've won fairly anyway"
What is your point here? Why are you so intent on making sure nobody discusses the evidence that trump stole the election? And why are you so intent on trying (and failing) to debunk it?
Also I 1000000 percent trust an expert on voting machines over a mod of a random lemmy community. You're gonna need more than your opinion on how one state went to debunk all of those bullet ballots my guy
I don't believe there was fraud but I do believe statistical anomalies are worth a second look. Some people won't ever be convinced but I'm certain the various audits of 2020 that came up empty swayed at least a few people (on that topic, not Trump as a whole).
Considering how much trump and his supporters tried to steal the election last time around, this almost certainly means something, and we'd be idiots to ignore it
according to that planetcritical post I shared, it seems that the public still doesn't know the actual results of the 2000 election? Doesn't seem democratic to me.
Even if every single one of the bullet ballots were invalidated, trump would still win.
Do we really need to chase after ghosts rather than look at the terrible campaign Harris ran? She ran Hillary’s campaign again, took the left for granted and made stupid campaign stops in Kentucky and Texas rather than focusing on more important matters.
Harris lost the election running a center right campaign.
All good points here, but the clarification that Snopes and everyone else is missing and not talking about are kind of important:
"Bullet Ballots" are single votes for one candidate with nothing else filled out. In order to be valid that means...
A voters information would have to be put on a form and fed into a tabular, and in the case of Georgia and Arizona (I think?) physically reviewed before fed into said machine because...
The tabulation machines are set to confirm a specific amount of information, and if that information is wrong, it will error. This is a code on the form that can be machine scanned, so that makes sure it fits a specific location, precinct, county, whathaveyou., BECAUSE...
if someone were to get a grip of these forms and ballot stuff them, then counts would be meaningless.
So really all that needs to be done is to find a large enough sample of size of consistent voters who had a flipped vote, find their forms, ensure nothing is fucky with the forms, then interview to confirm with the voter. Do that for a few thousand people in Wherever, USA and you'll have your answer.
It's not hard, it's just time consuming and costs money. Voters don't generally have a way to even check their vote was counted for all the candidates they chose in most states, which I think is fucked up, otherwise this might be a bit easier.
find a large enough sample of size of consistent voters who had a flipped vote
Is that possible in AZ? In my state the poll worker records that you appeared to vote, then gives you a generic ballot. The ballot is not tied to you. Your vote is completely secret with no way to trace it.