No sex. No dating. No marriage. No children. Interest grows in 4B movement to swear off men
No sex. No dating. No marriage. No children. Interest grows in 4B movement to swear off men
In the days after Donald Trump was elected president, a South Korean feminist movement is capturing young women’s interest on social media.
Opposition to transgender rights movements
The 4B movement predominantly sees transgender rights movements as incompatible with feminism.[10] Developing out of transgender-exclusionary radical feminism (T.E.R.F.), the movement holds to gender-critical views on sex and gender,[10] supporting gender essentialism and the exclusion of transgender women from feminist spaces.[12][14] Advocates of 4B are opposed to what they call "gender ideology" (젠더론x) and promote excluding transgender women from feminist spaces, as well as romantic or sexual relationships with them (트젠 안사요).[10] In South Korea, members of the 4B have created gatherings exclusively for what they call "biological females" and "real women".[10]
yikes
I find nothing wrong with this movement, but at the same time I almost feel like this movement is exactly what "government's" may want. Less educated individuals having children means more uneducated voters in the long run.
Kind of like that scene in Idiocracy (2006).
Just don't date conservative men. First date, ask them their politics. It's literally that simple.
You should really have a suite of questions to weed out partners you don't want. This is what the first few dates are really for. Ask them their politics, if they voted, and who they voted for, their stance on abortion etc.
All you're going to get with this is friendly fire. Conservatives generally do not prefer leftist women.
(very obviously, but people keep covering this like it's a real thing so...)
You get 100% or even like, 60% of women in on this, yeah. Things will change real quick. I'd hope for the better.
If you get like 5-10% of liberal women doing this, which is by far the most that I'd believe, what's going to happen is the corresponding 5-10% of men get sexually frustrated. Then they'll go online and get caught up in all the incel->alt-right pipelines that already exist today, and men will swing further right.
If we want a movement like this to work it needs to 1. Not punish people who are already on our side and 2. Provide a better pipeline than the alt-right already has for channeling sexual frustration into action.
So cool, interesting idea, I wish it was workable but remember that a majority of women who voted voted for Trump. Even if men didn't exist he would have won.
Wait so the idea is do not sleep with any men? Even men who support your views and rights? This just seems like it would radicalize more incels or generate more sexism. Like the average person who did everything they could is going to go on a date and be told "I'm not have sex until the government is fixed" which would make me say "ok, well, hit me up in 4 years."
This is dumb
I get but i feel bad for anyone falling into this mind trap
Is there some underlying assertion here that woman enjoy sex less than dudes? Or that sex is some kind of favor to men on the part of women without mutual enjoyment? Not having sex with someone is pretty easy if that other person is a shitty person. Otherwise I think both genders enjoy genuine intimacy and physical contact by someone they enjoy being around.
Ignoring every other part of this movement, the 'no children' bit is a question of safety.
Even where the laws aren't dystopian nightmare shit, and you have a healthcare team on standby to provide the best care they can without needing to worry about legal fuckery, pregnancy and delivery can still kill you cuz that shit is insanely brutal.
Disallow that team from intervening when there's a miscarriage or some other complication and the mortality rate skyrockets, as seen in red states post-Roe.
That's about to be the whole country soon. Ladies, if you do get pregnant, have a plan, and a backup plan, and a backup-backup plan etc with where to go and what to do if shit even even starts to feel like it's hitting the fan.
...also if you don't already have a passport, now might be a good time.
If I were in your shoes, I'd be scheduling a hysterectomy ASAP. And remember your doc isn't going to do a background check or anything, so if they start giving you the shit about "nooo you're too young, you might regret it later!" just remember that your uterus is causing you 10/10 pain, and it makes it almost impossible to accomplish any normal tasks, and even starting to cause suicidal ideation; also you already have 4 kids with 3 dads and feel like you've lost control of your life, etc... probably not all at once or they'll know you're bullshitting, but the point is denying women's healthcare is a problem that goes way beyond abortion, and if lying is what you need to do to receive care, then don't hesitate to do it.
Good luck everyone. This situation is absolute shit.
Trump is such a loser that even when he wins, it makes every woman in the world stop being horny.
I really can't emphasize this enough. Look into all the nuances of gun ownership. Nothing crazy, just a handgun. There's a lot to it to be safe and responsible, and it is not for everyone, but look into it. That's all. Then decide. Looking into it also involves knowing your local law and what could happen to you if you fire it. Look into pepper spray, local and state law, but honestly, backsplash happens. Inhaling a lungful of that shit while trying to flee isn't going to help. Tazers. Again, local regulation, state regulation, sometimes they are different.
4b does not stop "your body, my choice" individuals claiming to be men.
Lmao some women can have all these things without a man in her life.
Not procreating has always been a natural phenomenon in collapsing species. We just have more words about it because we think, therefore we think we're special.
I'm 4B with qualifiers: No sex with anyone on the right, no dating anyone on the right, no marriage with anyone on the right, and no babies for America.
This is a childish and illogical response to what’s been happening. The 4B movement isn’t practical to achieve its desired affects.
A better approach is for white women to have more interracial relationships. It drives the right wing voting base insane when you do that. Black or Chinese men create the most seethe and butthurt.
This way, women still get to have sex, form loving relationships, have children, and not suffer from the consequences of 4B.
Just some money making drama any news site can run for clicks. Obviously this won't make a difference in anything. Nothing about it is constructive, which definitely makes it poignant, but will never garner wider support.
Kill your local heroin dealer.
ok so. I like the concept, it's a good way to move.
HOWEVER there is one big problem. We can't use this emotionally inflammatory rhetoric, because it's what the right thrives on. You can quote me on this later, but i guarantee you if the right sees this they will call it "sexual eugenics" or something stupid.
literally all you have to do to make this a fully marketable and unbeatable position is to treat it like econ 101. Social interaction is most often based on simple contractual obligations. Those in question here, have failed, and thus, it is no longer contractually valid.
"the market for sex is simply untenable culturally, and in terms of healthcare, completely fucked. I no longer plan on having casual sex anytime soon" and suddenly it's like 50x more reasonable and palatable than the previous statement.
and before anybody tells me "oh well it's good for attention and marketing" yeah, if you want to spread the entirely wrong message. just look at the bear vs man debacle that happened a while ago.
although you have to be careful because the right will probably just tell you that this is the point, at least the religious part of it, in which case being inflammatory isn't going to do shit anyway. Tough times we live in now, i guess.Ah yes, more rules.
I want more options to autonomously choose, not more rules. Also we already had this several times, sex-negative feminism, straight edge etc.
This is reactionary.
seeing as women are human beings some woman would use this "system" to separate some guy from his current partner so that she could abscond with him.
and 52% of women from my demographic voted for trump so enjoy the delusions
Ok, puts flame suit on but that’s just one way for liberals to go extinct.
That's how you do it.
They’re protesting no sex against a rapist?
Yeah, I can’t imagine how this is going to turn out….
The other side of this coin is having to be 100% self-dependent. If you want to do this, you better have a job that pays for your preferred life-style. And you better live in a country with a functional health-system that doesn't immediately bunkrupt you if you fall ill and lose your job because of that.
Women are better off without us.
I'm somewhere between cis male and Ace. My dream girl would be all about this lol I'm so conflicted.
Your body your choice. I'm just glad less wage slaves will be born. Having children while understanding how this world works is child abuse.
"Here is $2,500 a month in living expenses, thanks for the dopamine and serotonin sucker!"
I don't get a dog and kick it out after whatever amount of dog years is 18 and say "good luck!". Why is it okay for a human?
I don't think this will work. Say what you want about non-Conservative men, the Conservative ones never cared about consent. It's like a slave refusing to work. The best adage is "the beatings will continue until morale improves". Rapists always act the same toward their victim, no matter the age, and they are best dealt with in the electric chair.