So over liberals JFC
So over liberals JFC
If these didnt upload correctly let me know I'll delete the post. Conversation I just had in a local discord where dude didn't even read my comment and attacked me for not being onboard with Harris and fed me a fearmonger. So over fucking dem voters man.
I just dont have any leftists in my life to gripe with, sorry. 🤣
EDIT: Ive always gotten on well with this dude and we agree on a lot, which really made it worse that he didnt bother reading what I wrote. I just deleted my comments and left the server (its just a small side server for our area anyway.)
The fourth or fifth "most important election of your life" has worn down a lot of people's brains to a bunch of talking points and desperation
With all do respect, I live somewhere where we actually have a viable 3rd and even fourth party candidate, who I'm happy to vote for. I've voted for the lesser evil in the past, and it always feels bad. I'm telling you this because I empathise with your position, and I agree that in theory to have viable 3rd parties, people like you do indeed need to vote for them.
What scares the shit out of me, though, is that Trump is backed into a corner. His only choice to guarantee he doesn't see the inside of a jail cell is to extend his term indefinitely. We all know he'd do it if he could, he's said so himself.
So the question, then, becomes: how much faith do you have in the guardrails of the system to stay a democracy? SCOTUS has already been stacked, and the recent presidential immunity scope increase is just waiting to be abused.
Never in my life has your democracy been in such real peril, and, disappointingly, there is only one person you can vote for to defend it. I hope your ideals are worth risking falling directly into totalitarianism over.
If you still can't understand why this one is actually different, I'm not sure there's much more I can say.
Some quick info on American duopoly, since you aren't here-
Voting Democrat isn't voting against Republican policies, it's voting against them NOW and getting them 5-10 years later once they've let the Overton window shift and Republicans are crazier. That's the cliffs notes of how we got here - Democrats have been arguing for at least 10, probably 20 years, that (however worded at the time) leftists are the problem and use that to move further right to court "centrists" who are just Republicans who don't want the social blowback, giving Republicans the room to pull further into the extreme right. Democrats of year X are basically just Republicans of year X-10.
"Well if you don't vote Dem you can't get change!" You already can't now. they're half of the two parties who move the goalposts anytime a third party looks like they'll meet the requirements for inclusion, and they (the DNC) went to court in 2016 to have it legally ruled that their charter is bullshit and as a private entity they can do what they want - voters and donors be damned.
Democrats pay lip service to Trump only because they don't have a platform without "we aren't them." Democrats spend more time and energy bullying leftists for not being onboard than they do trying to beat Republicans. For at least 10 years now, they love to blame us for all their woes, but instead of adjusting policy to capture those voters they move farther right because "it's the left's fault we lost." It's an intentional cycle to forever justify sprinting rightward and to always have a scapegoat instead of admitting they aren't in sync with voters.
TLDR: Everyone claims blue MAGA are the saviors and the only ones who can save us, but they don't do fuckshit to stop the rise of fascism because they're also fascist, just with a smile. A vote for Dems isn't a vote against fascism, it's a vote for fascism in 4-8 years when all the Dem voters will root for it and call anybody who disagrees the enemy (Like they're already doing now.)
He played that card in a later reply, "In THIS election you have to make a statement.... "
My brother in Christ I'm 37 years old and been told that for basically every election ive voted in.
I’ve had to stop harping on the “2 sides of the same coin” thing because it’s tiresome for everyone. Fortunately, the liberal folks I know don’t particularly like Harris either, but they also don’t know what the alternative is in such a rigged system.
It took me years to finally get people to realize that it’s all ratchet effect bullshit and both parties are complicit.
I'm sorry you've had to deal with that and know what you mean - it's frustrating!