2y ago

NSFW instance lemmynsfw - drawn NSFW content (updated)

We're allowing non-IRL loli/shota - Lemmy NSFW

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Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.

Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the "Loli" announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.

Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?

There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?

edit: UPDATE

Take this update as you will

I'm taking it as a backtrack, but it's still not an instance I want to associate with.

Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven't seen any alternatives though

Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.

I dont think it was a case of "whoops bad English" like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.

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Beehaw was right to defederate many instances and so should we. Beehaw is crazy but not that crazy.
Defederate these instances, what are you so afraid of? Some people here are going full throttle on the freedom of blabla, don't listen to them. Ban this stuff, do you really want Kbin to be known as "this network"? Do you want this reputation? I don't. If you want more then register to another instance which accepts this stuff but don't drag all our infrastructure with you.
Federating this content puts the servers of Ernest in danger.
edit: downvote me more, I take it as a badge of honor because I know who it's coming from.
- I'll just point out that I never suggested anyone defederate from anyone.
  As a side point though, lots of places had already defederated from lemmynsfw.
  I just want a NSFW instance that doesn't cater to pseudo child porn
  
  I think the beauty of the feddiverse is that WE WILL get another more curated nsfw community. Right now its early and messy, we're figuring our communities out. I think we'll be alright.
  
  I mean, it seems like they back-pedaled on that (or were unclear initially and never intended to allow drawn CP), as long as it stays that way and they actually enforce it, I don't see a need to de-federate
  
  Like I am not interested in seeing NSFW but I don't care if it's around... people drawing kids being raped (kids can't consent even if they claim they're 100 years old) is disturbing and objectively wrong. Someone masturbating to these images adds a whole different level of mental health ussue compared to someone who just watches disturbing content for enjoyment without the sexual aspect. If it were legal these same people would be extremely likely to not only watch real CP or even engage in it otherwise they wouldn't resort to loopholes.
- Is this you u/spez on some mission to destroy the federated world before it had a chance to grow up?
  
  You wrote:
  Guess other instances do not care regardless even if its correctly flagged and tagged and everything. I had a discussion about this topic with the mods of feddit.de, but they are firm to block whole instances if there is any NSFW community on it. No matter what. I am now on kbin and deleted my account there.
  Why don't you open an account on one of those instance instead of pushing it in our throats?
  
  If that kind of content was allowed here I'd delete my account. No, one wants that kind of trouble.
- I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see. the second something is defederated/blocked, it becomes a slippery slope of crying to block this or that, and taking away power from the users.
  
  I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see.
  There has to be a line though.
  
  Eh, I get the principle, and we should definitely be less trigger-happy about defederating than beehaw, but if a server starts tolerating a bunch of drawn CP, we should probably just defederate. That being said, it seems like lemmynsfw is prohibiting it, so I say we keep federating with them unless it becomes clear they won't actually enforce that rule.
  No reason to cut ourselves off from half the nsfw communities on the fediverse unless we have to.
- Even from a legal perspective tolerating this stuff is a no-go.
- One of my biggest concerns with these kind of platforms is that they'll end up being a home for creeps and criminals due to a lack of rule enforcement. I don't want to be ashamed to use this platform or anyone to suspect me for it.
That is wild, I made an account on there last night so I was curious to find the announcement post. Evidently lots of people are quite outraged. I also noticed as of a few minutes ago a clarification post has been made: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826
To quote:

I have so much respect for @yay@lemmynsfw.com but i can’t believe how poorly he wrote the update message, lol. Here is what’s happening; - loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way. - IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit. - characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible. The line will continue to be up to the admins discretion, though we always appreciate input. And beyond this, individual communities can decide whether they want to outright ban all flat-chested etc. porn to be safe. Any other clarifications necessary, just ask below. Thanks for reading. ~Restful
I'm not sure what to make of all this; it's a bit iffy to me so I'll be on the lookout for another NSFW related Lemmy community. There were a couple of folks in the comments of the original announcement post stating they're gonna make their own instance so we'll see how that pans out.
- The heading of the post is, and I quote
  We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content
  Maybe they minced words being non English as their first language.
  I understand that, languages are tough.
  That said, the fact that it isn't a hard line on that shit is enough for the majority of people to want another instance.
  I'm not trying to have them closed. I'm not fronting a resistance to have people not go there. As far as I'm concerned its "legal" and whatever, but at the end of the day the majority of people are not only not interested, but disgusted by that.
  Being real here, if I'm looking at nude content, as lots of us do, there is some stuff I don't want to see. Underaged content is on that list. I would safely assume that is on the list for many people.
  The point of this thread is to warn other "normies" that the people running that instance are cool with this sort of thing, and ask if there is an alternative yet. lemmynsfw can and will do whatever they want. I'm fine with that, its not the point here. The point is warning others and asking for an alternative.
  
  I completely agree with your points. I alongside many others appreciate the heads up; for some reason `!lemmynsfw doesn't show up on my local feed over there so I never would've seen the post if it weren't for this thread.
- I mean the person that made the original post has responded to that post saying "im not a pedo 🫤🤷‍♂️ I thought loli meant for teen people like 18-25."
  Which to me does not track at all with what was said the first post, where they acknowledge that it's drawings that appears to be of people underage. how do you talk about underage then say " I thought they meant 18 year old" does not really strike me as an "oopsi, I did not know"
  
  I don't know how people can be arguing against a post that is literally titled
  We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content
  
  Oh yikes, I didn't even see that comment. The fact that user is making this "clarification", and not the admin themselves concerns me. It reads like they're just piggybacking off the user poster who decided to do their own interpretation. Like others have stated before, there really needs to be a hard line drawn otherwise that instance is going to see a lot of people leaving.
- loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.
  characters who are petite/young-looking are ALLOWED
  These are contradictory statements. that's literally what the words loli/shota mean.
  
  No expert on straight porn, but that would probably include lots of Asian adult porn actors.
  
  i mean at that rate loli/shota mean nothing
  being on guard for pedophiles is good, but the obsessive policing of how petite women are allowed to be while still being 'okay' to sexualize has gotten extremely silly, both when it comes to art and when it comes to actual women sexualising themselves
- What a mess! I can't tell if it's backtracking because of backlash or actual clarification.
  
  The fact the post was made by a user and not the actual admin certainly contributes to this mess.
- how do I block that on kbin?
  
  up the top of this page where the post title is, next to it is (lemmynsfw.com). You have to click on that, then in the side bar there is a block icon. For some reason when you block that lemmy instance, you also lose this thread, which is weird because this thread is hosted on kbin. It must also block links to the blocked instance as well...?
- Actually, it is serious. That is the entire point.
Yikes. As long as it’s not actual children it’s fine by me. They’re an NSFW server after all.
- Maybe a hot take, but I don't mind as long as there are no victims and no one is actually hurt.
  But I also won't lose any sleep if the content is banned by communities that don't want that (such as kbin.social if that happens to be the case).
You can block whole communities as user. Personally, I'm not interested in Loli, but their users voted to allow it.
- Yes, that isnt an issue.
  The issue is for those looking for a NSFW instance that dont want to associate with child porn
  
  You don't have to join an instance to access their content, though. And if something pops up in your timeline if you select "All", you can still block the whole community without losing access to others hosted on that server.
- How do you block a whole community?
  
  In your profile, looks like this:
- They voted? How? How many people are even in that community so far? Seems like the kind of thing to revisit as it grows.
  
  I don't know, but they wrote so in the post the OP quoted.
  
  I can't answer because I was banned for saying allowing loli was a bad move, lol
- The more recent clarification post says they're prohibiting drawn CP (https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826)
I don't think everyone would think of that as 'drawn child porn'. Plenty of live action 'school girl' stuff out there and that usually gets a pass. Pretty much every amateur video is implied to be incestuous now, are they promoting having sex with school kids and incest?
Terms like 'barely legal' and 'young teen' are used all the time, do you think there aren't people out there imagining those girls being younger than 18? If some Loli drawings are where you draw the line then it seems like an odd place to do so. Does nothing for me personally, I prefer drawings of young boys misbehaving, swearing and defecating /s (South Park).
- I'm not here to argue about the nuance of drawn pictures of naked kids.
  I don't care. Lemmynsfw can do whatever they want.
  The point is there is going to be NSFW instances, and im:
  a) warning people not interested in that shit that lemmynsfw is not the place to go, and
  b) asking if there are any other alternatives
  
  In that case a simple 'What are the best NSFW instances?' would have sufficed perhaps with a line stating that you don't enjoy hentai / loli. You cared about the nuance when you called it child porn despite knowing the actual genre is 'loli'.
  Big difference between something not being your cup of tea and full blown child porn accusations. I might not enjoy someone sending me an eggplant emoji but I wouldn't call the police and say I've just been harassed by a drawn picture of a purple cock.
  Hope you find an instance to your tastes and I hope you can get your questions answered in future without feeling the need to incite a mob.
well this is the strength of the fediverse, some instances can choose to go off the rails and it doesn't affect the others
saying loli is drawn child porn
:| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.
- You can apply whatever definition to loli that you want, whatever makes you feel best.
  for the rest
  of us though,
  we dont really want to be associated with this shit
  
  citing a shitty dictionary doesn't change the facts. loli does not refer to an age. no matter how much you wish to cry and try and say it does.
  
  The Pedos sure want to come out in full force don't they, pure scum. No surprise 90% have anime pfps.
- Some people would rather ignore Japanese culture and push their views on others. It is so strange to me that the west cannot tell drawings from reality.
  
  It's not Japanese culture. I know a fair few Japanese friends who are disgusted by lolicon.
  The fact is, if you're drawing childlike characters and putting them in sexual situations.. there's something fucked there. Sure, they're not real, but it's still fucked up to be attracted to that in the first place. They look like children!
  
  I don't even care about the ruling. I just hate that people keep conflating loli/shota with children when it really has nothing to do with that.
  But yeah it's wild how people have issues with drawings.
  
  Japanese culture can do what it wants.
  I and the majority of other people just don't want to be browsing and come across pictures of naked kids.
  Call me crazy, I know
This is so fucked up.
- I was pretty shocked by m/random. It's not a nsfw magazine and yet it is full of porn from lemmynsfw.com. I'm not anti porn, but I was a bit shocked as I'm just flicking through kbin at home.
  
  My problem isn't with NSFW stuff being allowed on the fediverse. I think there is a place for it.
  I just want it to be a place where I don't have to scroll past drawn pictures of naked kids.
  Lemmynsfw can do whatever they want. They aren't going to be the place that the majority of people want to visit when it allows that shit though.
  The point of this thread is to highlight that the server in question likely isn't the place most people who are looking for NSFW is looking for, and to find out if there are any other alternatives
  
  You're surprised that the internet is full of porn?
  
  m/random provides unsorted/uncategorized posts. so basically just a mess of everything across the fediverse, along with stuff that people intentionally post in there.
I had to go find the thread being referenced, it's here for anyone else who hasn't seen it: https://kbin.social/m/lemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com/t/42348
I took the time to post my own thoughts in the thread, which I've reproduced here:

It seems a lot of people have very strong negative reactions to anything which is too close to children in pornography. I don't think that's an especially bad thing, but in my mind the only reason to be against minors in pornography is to protect those same minors from harm. As an analogy, I find scat porn disgusting. But that doesn't mean it should be banned, as long as all parties are able to consent and no harm is done. When it comes to non-child-coded drawings (though with childish proportions), I don't see the harm or lack of consent. And if that is the case, it doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about the content, it shouldn't be banned.
- Again, not here to discuss the nuance of drawn pictures of naked kids.
  Not trying to shut down the instance.
  I don't care.
  I'm just warning people who don't like that shit, that is most people, that the instance owner is cool with that content so if you aren't into it then probably look elsewhere.
  A secondary point was asking if there are any alternatives yet.
  I know there will be, I'm just wondering if there is
  
  No, it's highly misleading: https://kbin.social/m/lemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com/t/42695/READ-THIS-clarification-on-the-decision-and-poll-results
  Allowed are fictional content of characters where it becomes hard to exactly tell if they're adult or not. Not obvious underage stuff.
Bad take
- or just somewhere sane like california?
Man, the witchhunty FUD about that is sad

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