Lmao
Packs boxes at Amazon; believes he is skilled labor and fast food workers aren't.
Buddy, you're closer to being replaced by a machine than the burger flipper.
Them believing that they are skilled labor tells you all about the value of their opinion.
Aircraft engineers and mechanics used to be considered unskilled labor until the 1950s. They were only "reclassified" during the Cold War because there weren't enough people going into the profession to keep up with the demand.
My tech who knows how to take and read basic vital signs, flip granny like a pancake and wash her genitals without giving her an infection, walk her to the bathroom without yanking her IV out or cracking her head on the floor, the basic legal aspects of a psych admission, and the basics of psychosis, mania, etc well enough to briefly counsel a patient on their symptoms and which ones are important enough to notify me about-
-makes 16 an hour. Not that the warehouse worker doesn't deserve a living wage, but to call that skilled labor, and especially more skilled labor than food service is frankly delusional.
Even my partner who does work in food service knows more than the warehouse worker because he knows the biology and chemistry of food safety and sanitation, prevention of allergen cross contamination, knife / sharps safety, and fire and fire extinguisher classifications and how to put out a grease fire-
-and that was before he got a job in the hospital kitchen where he also learned about specialized medical diets including food and drink thicknesses and consistencies, sodium and carb restrictions, and even safety trays for violent and suicidal patients.
What's in that warehouse training? How to lift with your knees instead of your back and rotating stock? Storage temperatures? Because food service does all that too. The only thing they might know more about than a food service worker is how to use a forklift, and that's only if their employer thought they were intelligent and level headed enough to bother training on one, and this post does not evidence those qualities.
Yeah, that's why I'm convinced it's satire until I see more tweets.
lol packing boxes at Amazon being skilled labor in comparison to the burger dudes. Like, my dude, you're about half a step above the dude putting a burger together then packing a bag with it, and I'm being generous.
You need a permit to handle food.
Was literally going to say... there's more regulations/certifications in food prep, both for the business itself and the workers, than a lot of other jobs.
Packing a box seems easier than operating the machines at mcdos. Timing the operation, consistency, time pressure, angry clients, ...
That right there is why I'm hoping the xeet was sarcasm tbh.
I think we're all missing the point here, and this is how they divide us. (By they I mean monied interests). Back in the 60s you could get a job air hammering in the same 8 bolts all day that would provide you a house, car, and your spouse doesn't work and you have 2 kids and go on vacation twice a year and the company takes care of your retirement. Both of these jobs (in ops post) require the same or more skill to do and you can't even afford to rent a studio apartment on your own. We need to stop looking at other "unskilled" labor and saying "they better not make a much as me" and start asking "hold on, why can't we both make more?" Rising tides lift all ships. The only people that suffer are the multi millionaires.
This isnt radical. If you work full time you should be able to afford what your parents and grandparents had in the 60s working full time.
Honest labor is honest labor, whatever it's moping the floor or engineering new bridges and rockets. We need each other. And we all want to have a sufficient amount of these funny play-money papers once we clock out for today, or, rather, not feeling limited by the lack of them up to the point of starvation.
Exactly đź’Ż.
It's getting to the point that just renting an illegal basement "apartment" requires 2 incomes in some places... I make $30/hr and almost half my income goes to this shit garage apartment I live in... Forget "legitimate" apartments, those prices are just absolute insanity.
Without looking at "professional" college degree required jobs, the VAST majority of jobs out there pay barely over $20/hr where I am... Where are you going to live on that kind of garbage?
I cannot stand the focus on "family income." It completely ignores the experience of the individual and lumps multiple incomes together to try to claim that people are doing well... Yeah well fuck me for being undesirable and permanently single.
Yeah well fuck me for being undesirable and permanently single.
woe is you, even more fucked are the people who don't want to be living in a multi person household. Let alone living with a partner.
(this comment is mostly a shitpost, i just think you phrased that part weird, dont mind me)
I want Amazon fulfillment center workers to be paid a living wage, but calling some of those jobs “skilled” is stretch.
Don't blame the worker for results of working conditions they didn't create.
Amazon is known for micromanaging every aspect of warehouse work, do you really think Amazon lets workers take the time and initiative to select which type of box a thing gets put into? Hell no, all the company cares about is getting shit shipped as fast as possible.
This is a symptom of Amazon's management, not the fault of any one worker.
Ugh.. Dumbasses must've been terrible at Tetris.
But seriously, that box took up so much erroneous space on the transporting vehicle, displacing other boxes that had to move to yet more vehicles. The extra emissions from these failed attempts at protecting the item (which is pushed up against the wall of the box, vulnerable anyways), is sad.
Working at McDonald's fucking sucks. They deserve far more in hazard pay.
Those bathrooms are proof those employees don't receive the hazard pay they should to clean those things. Mcdonalds.
Crab ass mentality. You should be asking why you get paid so little not keeping everyone else down
And the fast food shit is probably about as skilled as packing Amazon boxes the fuck you on about
Bro, I went to college and got a degree in packinology. Not everyone is qualified to use scotch tape and bubble wrap. You know how many people die every year choking on packing peanuts?
A brain sturgeon ain’t got shit on me.
My guy if you can learn the job first day off the street it is unskilled labor
Which is why the very idea of "unskilled labour" is ableist.
I had to work with an occupational therapist for 2 weeks to learn how to wash my dishes at home without having injuries or breaking my dishes. I could not have walked into a job as a fry cook just because it's entry level and "unskilled". I'd need to learn some skills first.
There's no such thing as unskilled labour for me personally, because any labour requires skill when your body or mind is disabled.
Did it take 4 years of school and another year or two on the job training to get proficient? There is such a thing as unskilled labor even if you personally have to work harder at it due to the cards you've been dealt.
I thankfully haven't had to do physical therapy, but from what I hear, it's painful and no fun if you're doing it right...hope your dishes are getting easier, friend.
Which is why the very idea of “unskilled labour” is ableist.
they don't exactly call it capable labor or anything.
They call it unskilled labor for a reason. It's generally not complicated and not very hard.
Naturally being disabled makes things harder, but idk what you want me to do about that one. People with physical disabilities and the capability of doing labor don't generally go together.
Stephen King taught me that cracking eggs is skilled labor for homeless alcoholic vampire-slaying priests
I hate to break it to that guy but packing boxes isn't skilled labor either.
All labour is skilled labour. If you have to be trained how to do something it’s a skill.
You think packing boxes is just putting things in boxes but I’m sure there is more to it, particularly when working for dystopian Amazon where they’re very strict with KPIs.
People called it unskilled labour as a means to pay people less.
All labour is skilled labour. If you have to be trained how to do something it’s a skill.
semantically sure, but im pretty sure the implication is that it's a heavily skill based field, something that you can't just show up and start doing. As the term skilled labor would imply.
Would you consider someone who just learned chess to be a "skilled player" or would you consider someone who has quite the substantial knowledge of chess, and the ability to play very competently a "skilled player"
It's a skill. Just a lower skill, as it's not that hard to learn or become good at it.
All Labor is skilled Labor.
No. "Skilled labour" means that you're hiring someone because of a skill or training they already have.
A carpenter is skilled labour because you expect a carpenter to already be able to work with wood. Your not going to train them from scratch on the job. They'll already have served as an apprentice or been trained in some other way.
A fork lift driver would need to have a license before you hired them. Skilled labour.
Somebody packing boxes or flipping burger is "unskilled labour". On day 1 you'll be taught the job. There will be no prerequisite skills needed. It doesn't mean "there's no skill in this job", just that "there is no requirement to have a skill to apply this job".
TIL putting stuff in boxes is skilled labor but flipping burgers isn't.
/Eyeroll
Yes putting shit in a box truly requires specialized skills you dumbass twat waffle.
Learn to fucking stand with your follow workers.
I sit at a desk at home, send emails, and make calls and get paid comparatively handsomely - these people have to stand over searing hot griddles, deep friers, and industrial equipment, risking serious injury at any moment for (close to) minimum wage. Doesn't seem right to me.
The difference in pay is easier to understand if we keep the time increments the same:
Dude: $16/hr
Bezos: $9,000,000/hr
Bezos makes 562,500 times as much.
Edit: added a missing zero
I agree with your point, but I'm struggling with your numbers... Is it $9,000.00/hr or $900,000/HR?
Editting myself to add: either is a horrific amount for one man to earn
If we take the 150,000 / min from the meme as given, then that's 9,000,000 / h. That also gels with the factor of 562,500. I think friend_of_satan just dropped a 0 there.
"Why aren't the rich people being allowed to hurt other workers more than me? What do you mean those other workers are standing up for themselves? I am very mad about this!"
I've said it before .. and I'll say it again.
I rather a dude handling my food get paid better than someone touching cardboard.
No balls on my food is preferred over no balls on my Amazon packages.
But really fudge all that. Eat the rich!
Either way it's Labor and the profit should be shared with the person doing the work. Sure it took Capital and risk to set the whole thing up, there's costs involved with running the warehouse, etc. So I'd course it's not split. But the dildo at the top shouldn't be taking the Lion's share.
There's no risk to the capital class. They do not risk their livelihoods, they barely risk their next yacht. The only people that share risk are the working class, not the owners.
To the point a small business entrepreneur is risking their life savings, they risk no more than a worker since they can always get a job. The bankruptcy courts will not make them homeless, will not take their last car, and will not starve them. They make it seem like failure is death itself, but no, it's just back to being a worker.
There’s no risk to the capital class. They do not risk their livelihoods, they barely risk their next yacht. The only people that share risk are the working class, not the owners.
the risk is primarily shifted towards the beginning of the businesses lifetime, later it can only really be hampered by skill issues and aggressive competition forcing you out of business. Think boeing. Or any number of companies that just, no longer exist.
Once you get to a certain size, it's really hard to fail unless the world literally changes, or the government kills you or something silly like that.
I would generally disagree with the statement that the working class is the one sharing the risk. Unless you mean some weird tangential thing, like being let go because the company fails, but that should be an obvious risk, i would think. There are a few exceptions, nortel being the only real prominent one i can think of. And that's mostly because they all got fucked over, not because it was risky, so that shouldn't have even happened.
Everyone forgets the workers are taking a risk too. "Just get a new job" doesn't fly in a recession. It doesn't fly when your new boss engages in tax evasion and fucks up your SS/Medicare. Or you just walk into a buzz saw of toxicity and harassment.
We treat a business going under as a tragedy for the owner, but the workers are out of a paycheck too. And hey the owner can always get a job; no matter how far down they are, the bankruptcy courts will let them keep enough for rent/utilities/bills. So they aren't actually taking anymore risk than their workers.
am I the only one who understood this as the dude claiming the burguers flippers being the skilled labour, as in, trying to show solidarity?
I took it as the total reverse.
That he "doing skilled labor" packing boxes at Amazon is above somebody "flipping burgers" at McDonald's.
It's ambiguous, though. They could be complaining about the frycooks making as much as them, or about the frycooks not making as much as them. You'd have to look at what else they posted to see whether they're generally pro-labor or not. Or ask them what they mean by their tweet. Both of which are made difficult by the username being blocked out.
It really isn't ambiguous at all, imo. He's clearly saying flipping burgers isn't skilled labour. Like that's literally what the sentence means, as he's comparing flipping burgers to "skilled labour", which he wouldn't do if he thought "flipping burgers" is "skilled labour".
He says he'll be "damned" if what he says are unskilled worked at McDonald's would be paid as much as him — who identifies as someone doing "skilled labour"
you're right. but I didn't expect everyone to have the opposite impression of what I had at first glance
I love that it's totally ambiguous. Throw in a shot of racism and it really leaves you scratching your head.
Real question: is box packing at an Amazon fulfillment center considered "skilled" labor? If so, so is flipping burgers, I would assume. In which case, what exactly is unskilled labor? I thought it was basically any job you can get/do without any degrees, formal prior training, and/or certifications.
As far as I can tell, this is two eminently replaceable, definitionally unskilled laborers hating each other over who is getting fucked over harder.
Crabs in a bucket
Could be a troll? The only difference is that food service is gross and squishy. Amazon has so automated the box packing that the hardest part is getting zoned out in the monotony and forgetting some critical step before you send the box away.
"Skilled labor" lmao. Look it up and sites like indeed.com call it having a law degree.
Some people dont understand that if the workers own the economy everyone benefits, also it doesn't matter how "skilled" your labor is when you're replaceable.
"skilled labor" btw
mfer works in a warehouse packing boxes.
Last i checked things like construction and welding are considered to be "skilled labor" but apparently i don't know shit lol.
